well I am catholic so.................................................................... meh, 3 because you did well. no wait 4

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christ man, remake this and time how long it takes you to read a short amount of words. we are not illiterate, it does not take us 8 minutes to read a few words

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5 for f*cking truth

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dude, ur a tard.

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plz no

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like, seriously... this ytmnd is a waste of max's hard-earned money... you should feel ashamed for making max approximately $3.00 poorer for crap like this. :D

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i look forward to the day when all powerpoint presentations are replaced by "unfunny truth"-themed ytmnds, complete with satan music.

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Anyone with a brain knows the ridiculousness of any claims of Christianity being a real religion. Unfortunately, you sought to prove that Jesus never existed, and you never came close. Just because one guy didn't talk about an existing Jesus doesn't prove that the person never existed.

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wow it all makes sense now

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Need to slow some of it down. There were a couple parts (not many) that went by before I could read...also a few that were too slow, but that's not a huge deal. Good job.

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Fail

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While I agree you didn't prove in jesus' existance, thats all information that should be out there. Doesn't disprove anything, just gives more thinking to the situation.

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It's clearly shown that Jesus is a reinvention of old pagan myths, and that there are no contemporary sources during Jesus life, nothing was written about him untill ove 50 years after his death. Only Paul was there, and he only mentioned the crucifixion, the ressurection, and something else, I forget, but the point is that he himself says in hebrews that Jesus was not on earth, but that he existed only in a spiritual realm!

I dont get how all of whetstones ytmnd's get on the top 15, and I spend over 5 hours of combined work (in two sittings) creating this thing, and I barely stay on the newly created for more than sixty seconds.

Plus, I know that most of you didn't even watch this whole thing, because I started watching the second it uploaded, and then checked the comments. So how about you watch the whole thing.

http://home.ca.inter.net/~oblio/silhebrs.htm Read the part on Hebrews 8:4. And yes, I did watch the whole thing. It fails.

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Figures, it is "just a metaphor". Just like everything else that doesnt go along with your innerrant view of the bible, or your own personal views about the bible, you could make the bible say ANYTHING you want with double talk like that.

Thanks AltDynasty, I am pissed off that 5 hours of work won't get me on the top 15..or 10 I guess now. F*CK.

Well, this site was...umm...uhh...yeah. I feel I must add some words of my own to this profile soo... First off, This person based their reference material on the new testament, which was written quite sometime after Jesus' crucifiction. However, what about the old testament? That contains accurate information that can be proven and dated back way before Zeus and those other mythologies were even known. By the way there have been several people who have tried to disprove God's existance, and failed.

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killerkoala, I am not trying to disprove God, what gave you that idea? There is more than one God concept you know.

I have told myself that I will not debate about religions because no side is right. There are lies and there are truths, but only we can discover the discrepancy between the two ourselves. I nearly stopped believing in any form of spirituality, but I learned of the Law of Human Nature. That concept Darkreign changed my perspective on the whole plane. If anyone wishes to understand this Law, then send me a message. I still must admit Dark Reign the site was thoroughly built and I commend you on your work.

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I am a metaphysical naturalist, but sure, go ahead and tell me the law.

Very well. When someone tells you to draw a straight line, you have thee idea of what a stright line is of course or else a straight line would simply be considered anything drawn. Now us humans since the beginning of time have had some sense in us that pressures us to behave in a certain manner., and this unknown force is unable to leave us. How can us humans have been able to distinguish right from wrong without a line being drawn. Only shame is that man usually does not follow this sense, but ignores.

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Are you saying that one needs a God to have morals?

No I am saying where did the foundation of our morals derive. Exucse my spelling from my earlier post too. Don't know why I had so many mistypes.

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LOL I did it again with excuse*

No, Pagan myths have been proven to have originated FROM the bible. The storys in the bible came first.

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I would like proof as to how it was found out these Pagan Myths were invented before Jesus. Also, considering the amount of people in this world and the millions of Myths... It makes SENSE that SOME OF THEM (only 30? that all?) are going ot be highly similar to real events. Many myths have been proved to have been distortions of the bible. Jesus is known to have been a real man, even to atheists... They just don't recognise whom he really was. Also, much of this is just your opinion on what was presented...

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No ShiftEsc, they haven't all been proven to have come from the bible, they all pre-date christianity by centuries. Plus, Justin Martyr was alive during that time, and he saw the problem.

Besides my original comment, and yes there are many myths that have been disproved as distoritions (can you please show me a link to hard evidence that proves these are from before these times?), what about the other things said? It is hardly evidence of anything, it is your opinion of what was shown.

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It isn't my opinion, it is well known that those pagan myths, such as Isis for example, were around LONG before Jesus supposedly came around. Isis = 1800 B.C. and Jesus = 4AD (both never existed).

I find it amusing how you love to say (both never existed) when, again I say you have NO PROOF AT ALL. There are millions of myths, there must ALWAYS be SOME that are very close to each other. It means nothing. It is your opinion that it disproves things. Again, I want hard evidence not "It is well known..." for those myths.

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Then explain why there were no contemporary sources for Jesus existance in his time? Explain why Jesus's story is so special if far over 30 previous pagan god myths had a story that was 95% similiar?

I don't need to. I need only say that it makes sense that very similar storys exist around the world. Considering how many there are. The fact remains there is no real evidence here except what you think.

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This does nothing either way, to prove or disprove

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If this was no problem, then why did Justin Martyr devote so much of his time trying to answer this?

I would like to say now that I am not part of any religion. I belive in the Bible but not any human made orginization so far. How others have used their time does not concern me.

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Justin Martyr was around way back when the pagans first started saying this stuff, he knew better than all of us, and he recognized that this was a problem. The only real explanation is that satan went back in time, magically, to counterfeit all these pagan myths to imitate Jesus'. Ridiculous, huh? What you are claiming isn't any better, "Forget the fact that their stories are identical, to over 30 others, mine is real though, yeah."

That's like saying "Oh yeah, spider-man,superman,superboy,wonderwoman,batman, they are all fake, but the green lantern, now he is the real thing!" Silly.

I'm going to sleep now, wait untill I awake to respond.

the ONLY thing jesus has going for him, is great advertising. Pretend just for a split second to be a rational OPENMINDED person.. if NOBODY believed in god and there wouldnt be millions of preachers and you just stumbled upon the bible in a book store, would you honestly believe it? Believing in the Bible itself is dumber than believing in Jesus, believing in Jesus is dumber than believing in God, Believing in God is dumber than observing the world around you and try to understand it through Science.

How am I supposed to know when you wake? o_O? Anyway, I did not come here to debate the vadility of the story of Jesus, I am here to point out THIS idea is far fetched and has in no way disproved anything. I am pointing out this is not evidence against they story of Jesus but speculation and is based on how you look at it. This cannot be used to disprove anything... It's that simple... It is just pointing out similar stories that is all, which has no real effect on the story of Jesus except

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"Wow, they are very similar". Which again, does not actually mean anything. Satan did not do anything. It is just highly probable coincidence based on the fact that some of the massive amounts of myths had to be similar to each other and real events... Which again means nothing!

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Kallstar, you are highly ignorant you know that? There is MASSIVE amounts of SCIENTIFIC evidence pointing to the vadility of the Bible. If you want it PM me for it.

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I'd hate to break it to you but YES indeed this is LEGAL proof, its called a proponderance of evidence. It proves beyond all reasonable doubt that this was simply a fabrication, correction, a cheap immitation of the same sh*t people have always made up. The only difference is your Hero is named jesus in this very unoriginal version of the same story. You want to believe your fairy tales thats fine, but dont pretend you werent sold a stroy. WatchStargate, its much more entertaining and has a better storyline

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This is vague at best, and sorry I could not give two sh*ts about what is considered legal proof. You really think us humans have the right to decide such things? Anyone can see how vague this connection is. I can give you real scientific proof that the world is less then 6000 years old just ask.

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Again, I could not care about human laws they are meaningless. I follow only the laws of God.

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Incase you didnt get the stargate reference, its deeply rooted in science. Laws as well as theories. Now since you clearly cant grasp complex analogies, let me make it easy, translate a text from a bunch of dead languages, rewrite it for thousands of years, then translate it over and over and edit it again and again and again... and you'll have sh*t yourself out a bible. Filled with whatever basis in science you want.. The stargate is real.. and the show is a documentary. Jesus was destroyed by the Ori.

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Theories are still JUST theories. I don't care for them. What you said is only possible. Not definate, therefore I could not care. When I say scientific I actually meant something along the lines of proof not theories.

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Perhaps i overestimated your peanut sized brain... God is just a theory, Jesus is just a theory (even IF a man existed fitting his mythical powers). I will leave you with a quote "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Arthur C. Clarke, That means even if you seemingly possessed the powers of GOD, it wouldnt be enough to convince me you werent just using advanced technology. Im sure it would be easy for us to impress a caveman with our Plasma tvs. Same with you and god.

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PM

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I replied with a PM since this was getting off the main subject of this ytmnd and more into an arguement.

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Check yer messages :|

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killerkoala“No I am saying where did the foundation of our morals derive.”__ What we call morals is not a thing that really exists. We empathy and social desires morality, these are simply chemical reactions in the brain we have evolved with because being socially caring creatures aids in our survival. Non-humans have it too and have for as long as social groups have existed.

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"There is MASSIVE amounts of SCIENTIFIC evidence pointing to the vadility of the Bible. If you want it PM me for it." ROFL ROFL

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anyways great page DR. Just fix up some sizing issues because pics cut off and It will be great.

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I don't think there is really any way I could fix that problem, my resolution is 1600x1200, I see it all fine, the only possible way I can think of would be to resize every image, and make text so small you couldn't read...lol. I guess that is one problem that would take like 20 hours to fix.

its my problem if it is a resolution thing. i cannot go over 1024x768. stupid tiny monitor

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There is a great deal of evidence of Jesus' crucifiction, including many pieces of the True Cross, the Nails which were molded into a Crown, a piece of the Sign that hung over the Cross, and a rock with Pontius Pilate's name on it, just to name a few. Also, notice the survival of the early Church. Why the f*ck would the early Christians spread a message which they truly believed in, and be willing to be tortured and killed for it?

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if you do any research at all. you will realize that jesus actually existed--its just his deity thats disputed. please stop copy-pasting words from your stupid tenure-say-whatever-he-wants-professor's mouth. 1d for not that but for religious ytmnd.

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Not true at all, but okay.

ShiftEsc, I have not received a pm from you

I hate to break it to you but Jesus existed... the debate is whether he is the son of God not whether he existed. The romans were very clear that they excuted a man know as Jesus who had a group of followers. Otherwise I must say overall good job with the slideshow. Maybe you should include some stuff about the adaptation of christian holidays to purposely overlap pagan holidays to absorb the pagans into the the encompasing christanity. Christianity has done an amazing job of absorbing other religions gj

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There is also a debate about whether or not he existed. Take Richard Carrier for example, and Dr. Robert Price, they both argue against his existance.

f*** u.

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Hey...that wasn't necessary. WWJD, beside not exist?

This is essentially a conviction based on circumstantial evidence. You have no shell casing, slug, or murder weapon, but Jesus has no alibi. That said, you've more or less convinced this member of the jury.

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Interesting. However, you fail to mention that jesus was mentioned by tacitus, thallus, pliny the younger and other historians/politicians. You fail to mention, also, that is recorded that 11 of the 12 apostles who were alive at the time of jesus' death were killed in gruesome and awful ways because they would not renounce their faith. I cannot, for the life of me, think of any reason why someone would refuse to renounce something that is a myth? I'm up for a conversation about this, if you are.

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ItsDoctorVenkman, it is sad that you mentioned those guys, you should really read up on the latest news about them. Plus,the oldest manuscript we have dates to 100 years after Jesus' supposed death, so I don't know where you are getting your information.

Latest news? Seeing as they've been dead for a good while now, I don't think they're making the headlines. I've been looking for a while now, and I'm not sure what the latest news about these guys is. All I'm seeing is the fact that they were historians, or politicians who wrote letters making reference to christ. And about the apostles, their deaths are recorded by various historians (nicephorus, clement of rome etc). And I'm not sure what manuscript you are referring to, but it is agreed by many scholars

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that mark's account of the life of jesus was written sometime in the latter part of the decade of 60 A.D.

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By latest news I mean the newest manuscripts discovered that talk about those people, and how they are not as trustworthy sources as we once thought.

I'm not finding any argument on the authenticity of history recorded by these guys. Of the three I mentioned, tacitus is probably the most widely accepted outside of christian circles. Tacitus does no more than state the fact that christ was a man who was put to death by pontius pilate during the reign of tiberius. Furthermore, he calls christianity a pernicious superstition, showing that he doesn't exactly like it. Tacitus is one of the more important roman historians to have existed, and unless you can

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show me definitive proof that he is not credible, I'm going to have to believe him.

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I don't think I stated what I said clear enough, what I was getting at was that it isn't trustworthy because all those sources come, at the minimum, 40 years after the supposed death of Jesus. Now, the 3 or 4 gospels that speak about jesus' life would not have been written by their titles. For instance, matthew mark luke and john were NOT written by matthew,mark,luke,and john. The average life in those days was around 40 years old, and to have written those gospels, they would have had to of lived to 80+

...and so, decades and decades went by where nothing at all was written about Jesus after his supposed death, or life. Then, all the sudden, 100 years later, people decide to start writing. Now, even IF a man named Jesus lived, imagine how much of the information was distorted after being passed down by word of mouth for a century.

I love how Christians expect belief and trust in the bible to be the default position, since there is "no proof against it." My position is this: The bible makes many extraordinary claims and accusations that have not been shown to be true (nor have anything of the like). These include miracles, afterlife, resurrection, spirits. These are all extraordinary claims that separate them from the realm of believability. We aren't talking about Plato claiming that he had a teacher, that would be believable. That is why belief is Socrates isn’t much of a leap. No, instead we are talking about a book written by people who thought the world was flat and that the clouds were “God’s feet dust.” Nevermind that the biblical claims are absurd by anyone’s standards when outside the bible. Let’s just examine all the things the bible was wrong about and look at the ever-decreasing credibility. Disbelief is a perfectly reasonable default stance when dealing with extraordinary claims that go against everything we know

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...of the natural world. "Proof against" isn’t required (not that we don’t have it, this YTMND has a lot on its own).

Did I ever say I was arguing from a christian point? I asked for proof that jesus didn't exist, and from this video and what you've told me, I don't have it. Also, I did not argue wether MArk was written by mark(although history records that he dictated the gospel). That is irrelevant, what I'm sayin, is that four gospels tell extraordinary stories about a man named jesus christ, and history backs up the fact that he existed. It's just like king arthur, who wasn't a king. A man named arthur existed, and

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what little information we have about him seems to indicate that he was a high ranking officer in the british forces. However, there have been c*ntless tales about him throughout history. With jesus, you also have what some would say is mere fairy tales, and also recorded history about his death, and the fact that his death hapened at the same time as a major darkness/earthquake. Not to mention, that by the same logic you're using that says jesus didn't exist can be used to say that many other historical

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figures who did exist, did not. These things, and the records of apostles refusing to renounce christ while being tortured are what lead me to believe that jesus is not just a historical figure. Like others have said, the debate should not be wether he existed or not, but wether he was the son of god of not.

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Well I have given plenty of evidence that he is very likely just a re-invention of previous pagan myths, and that if he did exist, why did no one care to write anything about him, at all, for 100 years? If he was of great importance, he would have been written about during his life, not 100 years after his supposed death. If he was of little importance, who the hell would pass down stories of just some average jo, and write it down only 100 years after he lived. What is more likely is that he was just......

...a pure re-invention of previous pagan myths. Also, as for your argument about people dying in his name, look at muslim martyrs, they are willing to blow themselves up daily for their beliefs that Allah is God. All that proves is they believe it to be true, but says nothing as to the stories truth itself.

Fight club? WTF are you talking about man, that's from the NG audio portal. -4.

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I think I changed the audio but forgot to change the audio source....I will change it now.

ALL FUNDAMENTALIST SH*THEADS, PUT YOUR CARDS ON THE TABLE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't scream like a baby that there is "no proof" that Jesus never existed after seeing no less than SEVERAL MINUTES OF PROOF!!!!! The ball is in your court and the only way you can expect to be taken seriously is by PONYING UP PROOF OF YOUR OWN. You want us to take this "Jesus" character of yours that your religion is presenting as the real deal? THEN THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU.

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Also, for those of you who take it for granted that you don't have to use your brains on a regular basis in our industrial society in order to ensure your survival, I implore you to remember Occam's Razor, which is aimed directly at your beloved savior. Screaming "no proof!" over and over wouldn't save him even if you were right, just because you have no proof of your own. Game, set, and Popper.

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Dude, pass me some of that pwnt sauce.

So, if this is all a huge conspiracy and there is no Jesus... what's the point in making it all up? They were just a wacky cult who happened to get lucky and strike it big? All of its founders would get crucified or worse to get... notoriety? I understand what your telling me, and its an excellent arguement, but what I'm wondering is... why? Why don't we still have all the old gods and goddesses? Is this system of judeo-christian belief much better than the pagan way?

They seemed to have it much better than we do. Thier believes were largely hedonistic, emphasising partying and having sex as forms of worship in many cases... yet we choose a religion that emphasises humility, chastity and a meek nature... out of the goodness of our hearts? If our religions are based on pagan ones, why do we kill each other in the name of our God instead of just absorbing the other over a period of years?

I belive that the success of riggorist religions in the modern world has to do with simply that. what happens with riggorist is this: in a religion where their is only allowed a single way to beleive and a sigle way to worship there is allot of insecurity because of the chance they might not have it right.

so to combat this they turn themselvs into soldiers and are hellbent to force everyone else to agree with them just to make themselves feel more secure. you dont get this so much with either the old pagan religions of antiquity or the new pagan religions of the first and second centuries. and that is why they died out becase constantines sons forced them to by the tip of the sword.

Also "paganism" comes in all forms. some of them even puritanical or prudish. the priests of the faith of mithra I think had to be castrated to ensure celibacey. My Hero Julian was a dutiful husband to his wife, daughter of constantine, even on his campaines. He said a good pagan ruler should be "One who is just, kind, human, and easily moved to pity. providing means of protection for the weaker and simpler citizens, againts those who are strong, and wicked."

of course the christians of the time turned the man who killed him into a saint. It should also be noted at this point that more christians died in two years of fighting Arians after the edict of millan than where killed in 300 years of persecution by pagans who were using them as a political tool

Personally I like constantine, he's like a christian verson of Julian, unfortuately his sons where more like a christian version of diocletion, and those are the people who carreid the day. The same thing happens in the middeast. of coarse their all muslim, the minute somebody isnt they get stoned!

Because it's the latest version, so to speak, windows 1.0 is way different from windows vista, for instance.

sucks

Intruiging... 5'd

1 because it put me to sleep. Or maybe that's just because it's really late. Hmm...

Emperor Julianus Augustus is my hero. He made all religions equal under the law at a time when being a pagan was a captiol crime. If he had lived longer I wonder if he could have made medival europe a more tollerant and peacefull place to live. All hail the mighty apostate!

I've since changed the audio, and I know this isn't from fight club, I'm not an idiot. Danke.