works for me, good thinking sir

This site has content.

I like this idea. Don't even keep track of who did the counter-sponsorship, then there will be a rise in "downations", and people counter-donating against each other, and then people will start having wars about who can counter-donate the most and the whole time, Max is like "and on the seventh day, I rested"

Sounds like a damn fine idea to me.

Interesting idea, but might it lead to people not bothering to sponser at all anymore?

you know what you should do? kill yourself.

I've thought of this too

I fear this may lead to less sponsorship. Can we get someone with an economics degree in here?

hmmm..hmmmmmm....hmmm...hmm...i'm arguing with myself right now

hmm

The only problem is that the "bidding war" will never take place. The same people have typically sponsored sites, and if their money goes to waste they will simply cease. If bidding were a more common practice and the ytmnd population made up of mostly of people that have graduated high school this would be possible, but it just won't work.

I fear it might lead to less sponsorship too- perhaps a limited beta-test is in order? Try it out for awhile with new sponsorships, and see if it actually has a negative impact. Perhaps it could not be a 1:1 ratio. To knock a site down by $1, you'd have to pay $2, or something. There's lots of room to flex it. Like I said, it's just an idea. Oh, and n4rvst? DIAF downvoter.

Honestly, I love the idea

dr. cooke here, sponsorship would probably not go down, but it's more of an ethical question...

It's just crazy enough to work. I like the idea of anti-sponsorship. Could put people in check, a sort of taking back the power of the website for the masses.

Brilliant!

um.... nice idea but, your being hipocritical... why are you against religion? I mean, if your an atheist then why do you care if someone believes something else. I mean, according to you, it doesn't matter what we do because when we die, thats it. So why do you care if someone has a religion. I mean, if in your opinion it doesn't matter either way, then let people be religious. Why do you have to be oppressive to people with beliefs, imposing your own.. uhh... non-beliefs on others. Furthermore, it might

be counter-productive, Strinka has a point. Sorry but I didn't like your anti-religious freedom attitude and your arrogant way of pulling this off as well as the slanted reasoning. So, good sir, I'm afraid I won't vote. If I did then that might make me seem a hippocrit, as I would downvote due to me being offended. So I give you a figurative 1 but not one that will be tallyed.

Oh, and also... THAT was a REALLY " mature" *sarcasm* way to respond to a flame.

I dislike the idea. People might not sponsor sites if they feared their sponsorship could be countered, leading to less money for YTMND. I think "cries of the infidels" is a stupid site, but it should never be censored. I like your original idea of sponsoring an opposing site to counter it.

Then it's kinda like anti-net neutrality. Richest man wins. But it's not a horrible idea.

or don't click on the sponsored sites mebeh? its not hard.

I'm thinking the effect would be much *smaller* sponsorships. Nobody'd sponsor a site for $20, they'd sponsor it for $2. But when it gets downated (awesome word nuclearbastard) they throw another $2 at it, or somebody else does. And really- people sponsor sites to get them seen.

who cares? You see a site you don't like? Get over it, ITS YTMotherf*ckiN'D! Just don't click! Or click and downvote! Observe.

I think this idea would do more harm than good. You get points having an original idea for the problem though. I just ignore everything that appears on the Sponsored Sites anyway. I spend most of my time on YTMND clicking on Worthwhile and Upcoming YTMNDs. If anything on the Sponsored list is worth my time it'll eventually work it's way to one of the other lists.

http://criesoftheinfidels2.ytmnd.com/ - check it i think you'll like it

f*cking christians and their bullsh*t

So, in theory.....if I had $2000 lying around, I could counter this sites existance.

Christians are either sh*ttingly rich Republicans, or sh*t-broke poor people who dropped out of college because their beauty school was 'too hard.'

that ytmnd is gay

I LIKE it.

◄This isn't a horrible idea at all- but as mentioned above it's hard to say whether it would work. To be honest, I'm kinda tired of seeing my site up there too...►

People sponsor sites to get them views, but they don't sponsor them to give them views... for 20 seconds at a time. If people keep getting their sites downated quickly, then donations will go to 0. At least, people that donate to sites that get downvoted because of some highly polarizing issue (which is probably the #1 reason sites get sponsored, after max asking for money, of course). Rarely do people sponsor sites "just so that they can be seen" or something like that.

vote diden't work..

The reason is probably closer to "just so they can be seen and so that they can feel the wrath of god / absence of god / wrath of tekken".

Needs a little tuning, but wateva.

i like that idea

people who paid money to sponsor wouldn't be able to verify that someone had actually paid to bring their site down so Max could be accused of cheating. Plus you can just sponsor 5 sites to knock of the one site and it will be more money than just anti sponsoring the one site.

Good idea, although most of us barely have money hence why we come to this free site lol.

Anything to get sh*t sites off the main page.

great idea

Genius

Yeah Go mouseman!

Brilliant! You could put on donations list: -$13 or something like that.

Hell of a good idea.

So what happens when you unsponsor a site so much that it gets into negative dollars?

Good idea.

I am ashamed... Here I go and post my views of how everyone is entitled to an opinion and if your athiest then you have even more of a reason not to care( as long as someone isn't forcibly imposing their beleifs on you; ex. taking over a country and if they don't switch they get killed.

Money is good and this is clever. This could get YTMND much further too!

F

*censored* christians, and how christians are gay/f*gs/homosexual etc. ( Did you catch the irony yet?) So, in those of you who blindly flame and lay judgements down without consifdering anything (hint: BANDWAGON) as well as offendding people just for the reason of wanting to offend someone, I am utterly ashamed. In all fairness some of you have utterly failed at empathy and understanding, as well as a fair view. once more I will say: I am ashamed in your behaviour!

I think it would cause more drama than it prevented...

oh on the end of my 4th post it should say "

oh on the end of my 4th post it should say "

uhh... it won't post it all... you get the point..

If anyone would like to counter my comments, I will take no offense, so long as you do not specifically insult me(ex.calling me stupid;outright insulting me in any way without grounds)

Great Idea

Every time I saw these religious sites up there . . . I kept thinking of this. But you have made it into a ytmnd, so you win.

if you sponsor a YTMND, it should be on the sponsor's list. period

◄Brilliant!►

nice, idea. To bad it won't work :(

Unfortunately, what this means for the site is that people with a lot of money inherently deserve the right to censor the rest of us. What if someone like sexymofo wins the lottery? A feature like this would be no better than the moderators who are going ballistic killing all these sites.

-1 for unoriginal sound, -1 for screaming about how you're an athiest (it stopped being edgy around 1400 years ago), -1 for an idea that max would NEVER go for since it's basically making sponsoring worthless, -1 because I'm a jackass

Agreed.

Why should we have to pay to keep people's sh*t off the site?

it would work i think...

lol, money

i can dig it

If people would actually stop flaming each other in this thread, we might be having a good discussion... I like the idea, but since people sponsor sites in order to get views, I agree that sponsorships would probably decline if other people were paying not to see them. Especially if the YTMND has a small donater base (e.g. Infidels?), people will get frustrated and cease donating altogether--giving YTMND less money.

I wouldn't want to keep paying $2 to get my YTMND sponsored, only to have it downated 30 seconds later. Maybe it'd be better if there was a "Contested" section or something where donation wars were being waged? That way the YTMND still gets views, but it could be ranked higher or lower depending on the competition from donators and downators. Just an idea.

f*cking brilliant you magnificent son of a bitch

good idea

I like the idea, works for all YTMND's that suck. But you're pissed because of the religious thing? Honestly who cares? Otherwise, good idea. I like it.

lol but then some rich guy will anti sposor the money has no artistic value by like -2000 and max loses all his money.

there would be a war of epic proportions, people paying to promote and demote their creations, their champions of ytmnd. And max would be all the richer =D

I presented the idea to max last year. Every further idea you will come up with, you can rest assured I've suggested. Things to do with text, pictures, sounds, alternate voting systems, alternate methods of monetizing the site, merch ideas, etc. Accept your uselessness and fall on a sword.

you may have just solved the money problems.

...that's actually a really good idea.

Love the idea, your turn Max

I'm all for this. It's voting on a monetary level. At the moment, all anyone can do is "upvote" with their money. Using money to "downvote" is equally valid. This could potentially result in more money coming in, as people pay "up" and others pay "down", making the original people possibly decide to pay "up" again... and the others decide to pay "down" once more. Thus resulting in a money war that makes YTMND more profits overall. YTMND + Money = goodtimesyayhappydance.

In response to mouseman, empathy is a completely flawed conception and has no place in a place like ytmnd. Some people are very touchy while others have skin of steel. You can't possibly feel anyone else's emotions on a site like this, so each person is responsible for handling their own emotions. This is text. This is not a voice screaming in your ear, and you can merely choose not to read whatever you can't handle.

I disagree on one reason: If we have Anti Sponsorship and Sponsorship...then YTMND BECOMES A F*CKING PAID SITE. Let's keep YTMND a FREE site, people!

hmmmmmmm.... people wouldnt like to have the money they donate be cancelled out by downaters. I don't see this happening

Thos is genius.

As for this idea, I think it is (if you do a bit of analysis as to the incentives) deeply flawed in that it would drive down sponsorship regardless of its form. As is, it is a good way to get an outside opinion into the spotlight. I have no problem with whetstone having a sposnored religious site, but I do have a problem with the extreme disregard for honest discussion. Luckily, there is a forum to air these problems and I, along with other people, did just that. Amazing how it all works, isn't it?

Great idea..... Great enough to throw in a sponsorship.

A Modest Proposal? Let's all eat babies!

People pay money to get a site sponsored, if theres a chance some person will un-sponsor their site, they would be less likely to donate in the first place.

YESYES!

Yeah! Let's turn YTMND into a stock exchange where only the richest people can flaunt their crappy atheist sites! Great idea!

There's a big problem with the idea. While it's a good concept, the problem of course is that it defeats the purpose of sponsoring. Not to mention anyone with a few cents could just end the whole thing by sponsoring random YTMNDs with a penny to as many sites as it takes to get the other sponsored ones in the little sponsored area taken out.

^Yeah, what he said. You can just make whatever money they did irrelevant by just pushing them off the list. It comes with its own aspect ratio - if someone puts up 5 for the 9th spot, you can put up $10.02 ($5.01 twice) to push 2 other sites up and over it.

You don't even have to get random sites, you can give to ones already up there to push the ones you don't like a bit lower. What's more is this compounds itself productively when other people upvote sites to cover the ones you used to cover. People already have to worry about people going over the top of them anyway, so there's no added risk factor.

I love the idea, the haters are just afraid their Christian propaganda won't be on the front page anymore, so don't listen to them.

If you don't like sponsored sites, then why don't you just not view them? Also i'm not sure why you would sponsor a site solely because of the existance of another site. To me, it just seems kind of childish.

f*ck the poeple that disapprove of this sh*t, turn your disposable income into strong ways of putting down what is truely SH*T.

Also, YTMNSFW, is gone, THANKS MAX. Ya dipsh*t jew.

Perfect

"If you don't like sponsored sites, then why don't you just not view them? Also i'm not sure why you would sponsor a site solely because of the existance of another site. To me, it just seems kind of childish." It's because of politics. While very childish, it is also the way the world works. And, unforunately, it is also the way the world workds.

I say that we need to pay 100 dollars to ban somebody on Max's GTFO list. That way everyone wins. Except the GTFO people, but no one cares lol.

I agree with what you want in principle, but that shows recent YTMNDs that got money, so they'd still show up. Sadly. I hate it too.

GENIUS!

Not a bad idea, I think max should look into this...

Brilliant!

Just don't look at religiouscgkljklhcg sites

Eh... it'd work in theory, but it's like communism: bring it into the real world, and it just doesn't work.

http://blockcommentsfromuser.ytmnd.com/

Great idea, I hate seeing stupidass sites on there. It's gotten to the point where I never look at sponsored sites anymore.

There should be a "Sponsor Rating" along with normal rating, so the sponsored ammount may be 1000$ but the sponsor rating will be zero, and not be on the front page. Also, you can only bid once every now and then, so no one can spam it.

find a life

Do you throw money at all your problems?

WINAR R U K?

Totally agree...

I'm all for this.

Interesting idea

seems like a good idea to me.

You dislike religious sites on the sponsored lists so you sponsored another site about religion? Logic fail. This is all still an elaborate way of whining about sites you dislike. Just don't click on the damned site.

Secretly, I hate you.

I'll agree with you that the Sponsored Sites list needs to be rotated more frequently, though. Some sort of '$5 per day on the front page' scheme, or something. I don't know, max'll figure it out.

Wow! Llet the bidding begin!

Good YTMND, Bad idea.

Bad ytmnd, Good idea.

ytmnd isnt worth my money

Dude, too many idiots. I can imagine a million ways that could be exploited.

I got a problem...there are also idiots that will desponsers good sites that get sponsored. Others may just unsponsor sites just to get their own sites up on the list. The best thing to be done is if a site is stupid and all, the site gets deleted and the original sponsors are moved to a site of one's choice.

good times for free is always the best, sorry, i am a leech

I do believe this to be a stroke of genius, my dear chap.

The incentive to sponsor a site is lost if someone else can negate or lessen what you paid. However, if the feature were to be implemented, I'd like to see the total sponsorships categorized into "Donated," "Downated," "Total Sponsorships," and "Net Sponsorships." The net sponsorship would determine which sites are listed on the front page, but the total sponsorships would show the amount raised for YTMND, since it all goes to the site whether it was positive or negative.

YESH

Furthermore, I think there is significant potential for abuse. Certain users (i.e. Whetstone) could easily become victims of "downating," regardless of the quality of their sites. I can see the comments now: "Whetstone = auto -$5" The best way to get one you don't like off the front page is sponsor one you do like.

i like it.

Just what we need, money wars over what is on the frony page.

The new "blamming" system of YTMND, perhaps?

too bad I can't antisponsor this piece of sh*t.

I don't see how this is a bad idea. 3'd because it's not much of a site, but still a good idea nonetheless.

Yes... YES!

I'd buy that for a dollar!

I've always been suprised that people sponsor ytmnd's in the first place. Why not let them "un-sponsor" them too? Downvoting is half the fun here.

Your Damn Right

LOl that is a badass idea!

anti-sponsorship shuts whetstone up :)

I've considered sponsoring some of my sites, but if someone can just counter the money I spent, I'm personally not interested in sponsoring anymore.

Brilliant.

It's easier to just give more money to other site and downgrade that site out of existance. k, thx.

As much as I'd love to see sites like those off of the sponsored list, imagine how frustrating it would be to put $20 or so towards something only to watch someone else put all the money you spent to waste a couple of hours later.

I'm willing to anti-sponsor this site actually.

good idea, worth a try maybe?

Dude, that's awesome, I was actually thinking that the other day

I dont think this will work. People will be less likely to sponsor a YTMND if the possibility exists for their contribution to be negated.

Bad, bad idea. Not only will we have a religious war on our hands but a bidding war too. Whoever has the most cash gets their viewpoint on the list. And some of the bat-sh*t craziest Christians out there are rich rich rich.

I think it's a good idea. Makes YTMND money and gets the sh*t out of Sponsored Sites. What's to lose?

That sir, is amazing sir.

Brilliant idea. But this ytmnd sucks balls.

I expect it will eventually exist. After all, this place is a forum for pissing contests. Think of it as a pissing tax.

it's a good idea but I understood what you meant just from the title, so the hour long explanation wasn't really necessary

"Max is like "and on the seventh day, I rested" Lol yeah. I agree completely. +1 infidel crying.

GET SYNCAN ON THE PHONE! Someone needs to make a "What if someone like sexymofo wins the lottery?" site. NOW.

In theory everything works, but in this case - No.

Like it. You sir are a genitalus. I mean genius.

You are willing to be ironically anti-sponsered then, yes? 4'd your information.

Someone already suggested this a long time ago, and I didn't approve then... and I still don't now. If there is a site you don't like - sponsor some sites you DO like, and they will push the old sponsored site off the list if your sponsored sites are worth more. Basically, what I'm saying here is this: If you think a sponsored site is bad, at least replace it with something else to prove you have something better to show the community.

horrible idea

Having said that, I despise most of the sites in the sponsored list.. I just don't have the arrogance to essentially "delete" a sponsored site using my money. It takes a true douchebag to do such a thing. As others have said, no one is making you click a site that you have no interest in.

Brilliant!

Nice original idea, but I think it would lead to an expensive version of downvoting.

I agree with ytmnd1337. Users like Whetstone would be instantly victimized and their sites pushed so far down the hole they'd never see the light of day. That's effectively majoritarian censorship--so unless there were a categorization system in place to counteract that (still giving the site some visibility), then I don't think this idea flies. If there were some way to guarantee visibility even when downated, that might work. But that kinda defeats the purpose of altering the current system anyway.

great idea

Get a life son

Brilliant!

Even though this site was made mostly to stop me from getting Whetstone's sites on the front page; I think I have to agree with it somewhat. However, I do think there would be a problem with people choosing not to sponsor because they know somone else might counter it. I know I wouldn't sponsor anymore; which although is what you guys want, I have given $100 to Max.

It is green for good idea. However, I'm not sure I like it... after all, when I get $1000 to put http://itisgreen.ytmnd.com up to the top of the sponsored list, I don't want people countering my hard work. Oh, and if you can't understand sarcasm, don't read the last sentence.

or implement the "premium" member system, and let people who have donated 15 bucks have a vote worth 10 times non-premium members.

I just want to see a "delete" feature, where if a site is ranked poorly enough, and gets enough downvotes, KABLAMMO!! The site is deleted, and replaced with a "You suck, try again" sort of page. (like the 404 page). It could even be a contest to create the new "You suck, try again" page. Just think of all the bandwidth max would save by people not clicking on crap they don't want to see anyway.

Interesting idea... I'd be more likely to watch the drama it caused than actually use it, though.

◄I love and support this idea. Also random unnecessary whetstone-style arrows ftw.►

Also "downations" ftw.

How about no. Not only does this smell of hatred for christianity, it is just a plain bad idea. Can you imagine how bad people would abuse it... Such as people like yourself. Its just opening the door to another method of downvoting.

GENUS anti sponsership the stupid sties on the list like the gay religon ones

DOWNVOTEING FOR DOLLARS GOOD IDEA

I like it. Dramatic sponsorship wars sound fun. YTMND wins, everyone else loses.

The no one would sponsor sites they think are good, because their money might go wasted. AND, people will take advantage of the ability to Anti-sponsor.

The internet is Serious business.

If I know YTMND, there would be a massive army of downators, much larger than the donators could ever keep up with, making the whole system pointless. The only point of this idea is to spite other people, if it were somehow implemented in a way where you could pay for non donated sites you didnt like to get even less visibility, then it might have a little validity, but if all its for is taking certain sites off of the most donated list, its nothing but a hateful, spiteful, all around stupid idea.

I support this idea.

good idea

If you don't want to see religous sites, DON'T LOOK AT THEM. Otherwise, let people have thier freedom of speech, commie.

I think that is a great Idea. I mean Even I wonder how some of those YTMND's got on the list.

your broccoli is in danger.

a brilliant idea im sick of granny porn

Downvoted for improper use of "modest proposal." Do not use those words unless you are suggesting we eat babies.

fantastic idea

lol good idea. Money is money after all.

good idea.

I don't know why, but I'm more offended that you sponsored the "atheist's view" site than I was when I actually watched it. Maybe it was your "even it out" comment. You "devout atheists" piss me off more than the worst religious zealot.

I think it's a good idea. Normally I don't like rating "I HAVE A POINT!" ytmnds, but the music compensates.

..thats a DAMN GOOD IDEA!

I'm Raptavio, and I approve this message. specious pseudo-christian disciples of illogic...

You don't like? Close the browser you communist... we have to deal with your crap too..

This idea = pwns

I wish I could pay 20 bucks to take that 20 bucks away like your suggestion :)

I actually like this idea. Sure it'll piss off the sponsors, but then again, this could lead to more sponsorship from people trying to get it back up.

If it was double the cost to fully unsponser someone, then maybe

wait a minute? you want us to pay just so you dont have too see religious sites in the sponsored list? thats pretty stupid. some people take the internet to seriously

Id rather not pay for it and feel bad for the poor dumb S.O.B. that did.

5 for Blackalicious

"I just want to see a "delete" feature, where if a site is ranked poorly enough, and gets enough downvotes, KABLAMMO!! The site is deleted, and replaced with a "You suck, try again" sort of page. (like the 404 page)." ...Me too. Check out max's todo file, you'll be pleasantly surprised. http://ytmnd.com/TODO

5 cos you use GIMP, can spell (apart from Request :D) and have an interesting idea....i think sponsorship should be able to go into negative figures

sponsorship is so people can get stupid sites like that one and this one noticed.

Ehh... I dunno.

If you want ytmnd to get more money, you should sponsor more sites to knock the one you don't want off the list.

No. That would invalidate the money people donated to the sites in the first place. Sure YTMND would have more money, but that's not the point. Also, don't f*cking view the sites if you don't like them. Let the Christians think they're better and let the athiests be douches, it doesn't matter. I think all religious/anti-religious stuff should be taken down, so both athiests and religious folks can be happy.

Then it's no use to sponsor anyway, because there will always be people who doesn't like the ytmnd. It's a dangerous idea. It's more likely to stop people from sponsoring the site than starting sponsor wars. It would also give unfair advantages. If a sponsored site is bad in your view, just 1-vote it. Everyone has the right to talk and sponsor sites.

Although it is a good idea, it wastes people's money who sponsored the site.People paying to sponsor their site won't get their moneys worth.

WHETSTONE IS A FASCIST PIG

lovin' the song, as always. thats a really good idea.

That is an original and cool idea.

That would be a wise move

It's a dumb idea son. People would stop sponsoring sites because there will always be that random jackass who erases their sponsorship. I hope you die. Thxn bYE

haha suck it... but I deserved that, and I agree, so 5.

Did I miss that mouseman say the dumb stuff, I totally missed my ride here

I like it.

(And sponsored just enough to knock my own site down a peg.)

It's not that I don't agree with Whetstone, I'm chrsitian. But you're right, YTMND shouldn't have religious crap on it. But "Anti-Sponsorship" I don't think is such a great idea, because, I mean, doesn't it seem kind of... unfair, I guess, to make people reduce the money that THEY want to give because YOU don't like the YTMND? It's their money, and if they want to be idiots with it, I guess we can't stop that.

I think the most you could hope for it lowering the amount that it said. It'd still have to list who donated. And it could never permanently remove a site from the sponsored list. Otherwise there would be no point to sponsoring it.

DUDE! I LOVE IT!

Good idea!

One problem, the reason people are motivated to sponsor a sight is because it is guaranteed a spot of the front page. Take away that guarante and no one will donate in the first place.

Whoever said it got it right. The internet is serious business.

quite immature if you ask me

i'm sick of seeing sites complaining about other sites... go kill your.... uh site

i agree, hey this might make me think about spending some money here :)

well its a good idea, but i think who ever has the biggest wallet would over run this site. just because one person doesnt like something who happens to have access to a creditcard can basically demote someones work doesnt seem right.

good idea

See, Now that's a good idea.

Great idea. Good way to defeat Whetstone.

This is the greatest idea since YTMND.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

hmmm I smell trouble a-brewin'

YES

I support. Good vs Whetstone and Lave's POS.

unintentionally lame

I agree with your point about the sites, but absolutely not about your proposition. This is not right. It's counter-productive. Whose going to want to sponsor anything when you know someone out there is going to counter-act it? It makes peoples good money worthless. If someone pays money to help the site run, then god damnit, let them have their page up there. It's not fair to the people who donate. This deserves a total one for your willingness to use your money to harm people.

Sponsor the rest of the list if you want to help YTMND that much. Anti-sponsorship is just a way to find a lower rating than 1 to give to sites you dislike.

good idea

Great idea.

How about anything below, like, 3.5 rating can be unsponsored? If enough people think it's sh*tty AND actually PAY MONEY to get it out of sponsored, then it should be taken out. But if I pay $100 to unsponsor a great site with a 4.5 rating that has, say, $90 donated, that shouldn't be possible.

No. I don't want to.