"Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of the following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything illegal, pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc" This site has none of those and is permissible according to Max. Enjoy.

oops. it does lack humor. It also lacks good taste, but that's not a ToS. Enjoy.

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I watched the whole thing. It was well made, aesthetically. There was a page in infidel 4 that went by too quickly. However, I personally disagree with the usage of the word "infidel", as it is most currently used in the context of islamic extremism, and religious extremism in general. Whats more, all we have here is anecdotal evidence that could very plausibly be people second-guessing their athiesm and panicking on their death bed, surely a imaginable situation. All too often the evangelical ytmnders take on a negative tone, simply discrediting the other side. Always with the 'sinners in the hands of an angry god' rhetoric, which this page typifies. Never is a word spoke about the good aspects of christianity, what it has done for people, how it can help.

+1

repost, so -1 from prior score

Well made. Too bad the content still sucked. ^_^

guess you need to find a sponsor for this to see the light of day

Actually I reposted because I had some problems with the sound and some typos initially so I didn't want that to detract from the YTMND. But thanks for watching! :)

Good site to bad the downvoters are on

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Btw, for those who are curious, here is a link to the definition of "infidel" http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=infidel&x=0&y=0

http://ytmnd.com/users/shog/votes

Amen brother.

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"The only world religion that used infidel as an exact translation of non believer is Islam." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel

There are some interesting stories, but there's nothing here that would be considered unusual or unexpected. If people are told throughout their lives that "X will happen if you don't Y", then they will fear that X will happen when they don't Y, regardless of their own experiences or spiritual precendence.

+1

"guess you need to find a sponsor for this to see the light of day" *Sigh* guess you're right. And I think we all know who that sponsor will be.

you're an idiot, this doesnt come close to answering the questions you posed.

While I disagree with your religious viewpoint, the Sh*tty Slideshow YTMND (Smoothmedia's own term, meant in an endearing manner like "f*ggy short film" nowadays) is pretty well done, with the exception of the creppy music. I hold true to my promise, and will 5 this, however. (wonderers can see Whetstone's Starfox Chick YTMND).

F*ck seven minutes just take a three.

ahahahahaha

O LAWDY THE DEVIL AT MY BED, DEMONS, PLZ LORD SAVE MEE

"guess you need to find a sponsor for this to see the light of day" *Sigh* guess you're right. And I think we all know who that sponsor will be." *goes to sponsor the site*

My eyes hurt of reading white text on black background so fast. And the sound loop gets *really* annoying after 2-3 minutes...

*realizes its already sponsored*

sh*t or get off the pot, peterguy! ante up!

A bit long, though well presented and you cite your sources in YTMND. Unfortunatley, it takes the a very condescending view on the world which gives the christian community a holier than thou look, which is harmful to us christians. You get a 4.

I have significantly increased the size of the slideshow to 800x600 to help with the eyestrain on reading so much text.

"There are some interesting stories, but there's nothing here that would be considered unusual or unexpected. If people are told throughout their lives that "X will happen if you don't Y", then they will fear that X will happen when they don't Y, regardless of their own experiences or spiritual precendence." I agree. If you really wanted me to believe this, collect similar testimonies from people that grew up lacking the Catholic background. Anyway 3'd for being fairly well made but poor content and overuse of "infidel". Some of the screens went too fast.

ill sponsor when this runs out

TL;DR.

I couldn't handle it so I clicked back. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure it was going to suck anyway, so I gave you a 1.

star back for at least being polite

good stuff whetstone :)

effort.

ack no not another whetstone one!! RUN FOR THE HILLS PEOPLE!

NO. First, you followed the cut-and-dry white text on black background, important things highlighted, creepy/repetitive music format. Second, nearly all of your sources were reverends or other church affiliated organizations. You failerd to prove your point by using round logic. You can't convince someone of an afterlife, hell, whatever you want to call it by citing "sources" that are completely biased towards the subject? Empirical evidence is what I demand. Hellfire and brimstone tactics like this is why I left religion a long time ago. however aesthetically your site was very nice. The text scrolled and transitioned smoothly.

I lol'd

I can't stomach another one of these irrational argument acompanied with music pages. It's really offensive(although more than allowable) for you idiots to assert you have some perception of the universe I lack that allows you to dictate my fundmental beleives. Your appeals to majority are really inappropriate for the indeterminate. I seriously ask that if anyone beleives I have taken offense unreasonably, to contact me by PM. Please. Until then, stop insulting my ability to decide for myself.

Wow, utter bullsh*t. Hooray for fear tactics. Your argument amounts to a threat of physical violence. BOO, YOU GONNA GET IT. The brain is us, we are our brains, when our brain dies so do we. We dont magically appear somewhere you silly silly man.

stupidity must be paid for...who will pay for yours?

This site fails to make a case. Saying that numerous people have seen similar visions even though they never met warrants trueth is flawed, since they almost certainly heard of similar accounts of hell from multiple sources. Would have 2'd it because this shows you put some thought into this, but wasn't funny, so 1'd.

Go here: http://skepdic.com/nde.html

I liked this alot. Nice text movement, interesting topic. Worthy.

I'm suprised. Peterguy DIDN'T sponsor this.

Thousands of people report being abducted by aliens every year and most have similar stories, but I highly doubt you would find this as compelling evidence to the existance of extraterrestrial life. Furthermore, all of these "infidels" were westerners. Find an "infidel" outside of the influence of western culture say the same at death and maybe I would see an argument. 1

See you in Hell! ^__^

5

Hate to tell you this, but I've read the Bible, and last I checked, there's a nice portion of Hell reserved for condecending bastards who preach like hypocrites.

This doesn't even come close to being proof, as is pretty well established by comments above me. But it was an interesting and well made slideshow.

This YTMND is as pointless as this comment

Good YTMND.

Lame, and uninteresting

I challange anyone who mentioned it in the comments to find an unbiased source on deathbed ravings. Only Christian clergy and friends of the deceased seem to have the wherewithal to hold out through such a frightening ordeal. I'll tell you what though, there is nothing more painful to attend than the death of an unsaved person. My dad has been to dozens of those funerals and he feels completely drained spiritually, physically, and emotionally. And no, my dad ain't no pastor. He's a Commander (Ret.) in the US Navy, and he's seen plenty of good men die.

You know what, f*ck you irukanji, not everyone is a Christian. Let those people rest in peace without you having to tell everyone how you feel so bad they didn't believe what you did. F*ck you. go here: http://skepdic.com/nde.html

The introduction, terminology, and hypocrisy make this a winner. Skepticism is "an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object", so to say that they are certain would mean that they were not skeptics. To say that, dying men either delerious from old age or in delerium from great pain (or the old-school remedies that people cooked up in the times before modern medicine) are not exactly the most trustworthy witnesses, and of course testimony is neither scientifically admissible or even considered. Calling everyone an infidel is laughable, honestly, and it ruins any integrity this piece might ever wish to have.

Gee, did it ever occur to anyone that these experiences could be caused by the lack of oxygen to the brain? Uh...DUH PEOPLE. WAKE. THE. F*CK. UP

...tired of preachers, tired of religious ytmnds, tired of this bs

Infidel typically has a HIGHLY negative connotation, so by calling these people infidels you are actually discrediting their own stories. Personally, you can call me an infidel all you'd like because in the place of "man of faith" or "men of faith" I use the word "sheep". It's not a coincidence that the singular and the plural are one and the same, as it kills the self. Nietzsche would love to have a go at you. ikanreed makes some good points, as well, and we can now see that your apologetic tactics were, as we all knew, thinly veiled evangelism. Evangelism is not welcome outside of the bible belt, and the bible belt is about as welcome as slavery. Oh, and the bible belt was responsible for that, by the way.

Remade it huh? Still full of false quotes and made up conversion tales. F*ck your little church group sponsorship circle so you get. Thanks for calling us infidels, it only highlights that we are the oppressed. If you had done any research on Voltaire, you would see you are prooving his points on the evils of religion.

thanks for sending me this whets. I see your point is made even further on why God dose exist. Still needs more nedm lol

Demons at work. Nice work tho, very artistic. sound was creepy.

Brilliant.

BTW, the Greeks saw Thantos coming to take them away. I'm counting that as proof of Zeus.

Great research, very creepy stuff! Oh, and Jesus will pay for mine! kthxbai! :D

I wonder if any Hindu or Buddhist "infidel" has experianced such a death. Have past Dalai Lamas experianced visions of demons from hell prior to death due to their lack of faith in Christ, or have they gone confidently holding faith in their non-Christian form of "release". Perhaps such visions only are found in atheists under the influence of a Christian culture. You must remember that atheists of the western world are not the only "non-christians".

This is the greatest piece of flame-rising trollery I have ever witnessed on this site. The Holy Church of GNAA commends you my son.

This is interesting, Solomon Benjamin Shaw's writings have no scientific credibility, as none of his works can be found anywhere but evangelical sites. Also, his account of Voltaire's could not have been first had, as he died over 100 years before he first published deathbed ramblings.

Frankly this reeks bias. When hypocrites such as whetstone decide that to be "thrown into the burning pit" means a fire and brimstone Hell they are mistaken. Gehenna (aka the burning pits) were areas outside the city walls of Roman occupied Arabia where garbage was burned. These pits were also used to burn the bodies of those not deserving a proper burial (Murderers, Rapists, False Prophets, etc.) Because the Jewish people belived that when a body died the soul went to Sheol (not an afterlife more like a sleep than actual death) where it would wait until the last days when it would be reunited with the undamaged body and ressurected by G-D. Burning a body would deny an afterlife at all and would be the worst fate imaginable. Gehena is not Hell.

Get a life.

So you're telling me unbelievers go to hell?!?! INCREDIBLE!

You know, part of me is genuinely fascinated by whetstone for no other reason than being a religious fanatic of a most unusual order. While mainstream Christianity has evolved from the hellfire and brimstone sermons of the reformation to the peachy-keen pep rallies of modern church stadiums, whetsone harkens back to a very sinister and gothic disposition that was the mainstay of Catholicism during the middle ages. Hell, if you want to get really sullen about the whole Christ situation, read up on of the founders of Calvinist theology who believed salvation was predetermined and human will to be nonexistent.

It’s actually a far more logical doctrine than the tenuous theology of those feel-good evangelicals, but as a religious product it’s far less marketable and quite a bit of a downer if you end up on the wrong side of God’s cosmic coinflip. Anyway, as much as I admire whetsone’s aesthetic prowess, the “arguments” presented here aren’t even at a high school debate team level. We should follow Jesus because a handful of dying men had obscure visions and desperate fixations on atoning for their sins? Were death not a fundamental fear, an emotion that drives men to careless and illogical behavior, there might be the foundation of an argument here somewhere.

However, if you’re saying that we should carelessly abandon thousands of years of scholarly, philosophical progress for nothing more than a blind promise that any street corner bum could offer, then be honest and forthright about it. You want us to think like children. You want us to cower and tremble in fear of our terrible Godparent, the same one who, by logical inference, created every evil and affliction that inhabits this world. That is, unless you were speaking of Gnosticism and the blind god Samael, but you don’t strike me as that well-informed.

Does god know you're advertising for him? I don't think he'd like that kind of zeal. What with the whole "those who wear their faith on their sleeves keep it not in their heart" thing.

My churchly upbringing allows me to recall 1 Corinthians 13:11: “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” When I was I child I was afraid of the dark. Now, as a man, I understand than fear is nothing but ignorance. We fear what we do not understand. When I was a child I also feared God. Now, as an enlightened man, I fear nothing...

PICTURE! SOUND! TEXT! Not a F*ggy Short Film.

Hey if I have already broke alot of the ten commandments dont I already have a reservation in hell?

nope.. cause Jesus took your punishment.

Since you resubmitted this, I guess I have to re-comment. "Personal Pics=no" Hey, biblethumper, get the f*ck off ytmnd you f*cking c*ntbag- how many times do you have to be told? Even max told you to get the f*ck out with your religious sh*t. You're a dumb sh*t, you know that? Stop cramming sh*t down peoples' throats. Yeah, you put a disclaimer before your f*ggy slideshow. You really think that's going to stop people from looking at it? No, you don't, do you. You're edging it off for all the curious to plunge off of a 7-minute long cliff. F*ck you churchie.

lol fear mongering

I'm 5'ing this, just because I'm into the philosophical...

I clicked back because I don't like to read but nothing happened because YTMND opens new windows.

Also, zer0hue, you are one of my favorite people on this site, and I thank you tonnes for connoting everything I had to say but hadn't the effort to.

this blows for several reasons: 1. all this jesus crap is annoying and tiresome 2. ytmnd probably isnt the best place to preach your religeon 3. fundies in general piss me off. go back to church. 4. john proctor called it- GOD IS DEAD. get over it.

lolfantasy. -5 for christians.

People aren't exactly rational when they're dying. Do some actual research on near-death experiences, moron.

*positive and uplifting comment, a few words of encouragement* I also like your logo. I would buy a whetstone shirt.

Oh, about Voltaire: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/george_foote/infidel_deathbeds.html#1.80

llo, he said "I couldn't handle it so I clicked back. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure it was going to suck anyway, so I gave you a 1."

Once again proving that people will spend money on anything. And, btw, Graham Chapman of Monty Python was /laughing/ when he died. You LOSE, sir.

Boring and pointless.

For those who continue to have a problem with the term 'infidel' please visit http://www.infidels.org/ and see that internet atheists/secularists accept the title.

4'd only because i'd like to hear something from Mozarts Requiem

very good

Needs more Limp Bizkit

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I'm an internet atheist/secularist, and I *don't* accept the title. More blanket statements and generalizations to back up an argument that couldnt hold water if it had a rubber liner. Go somewhere else with your religion peddling.

to answer the first two questions: "Nothing you can see, cuz u dead.", and "No."

In the end, you are nothing but a bigot who cannot understand that non-believers are decent people that live and die as happily as anyone else. That people convert to Christianity proves nothing: people also deconvert FROM Christianity. So what? And the Voltaire story is well known... and bogus. But if you can't convert in life, you can just lie about it, no?

on a related note, I do not see the big "heaven vs hell" issue anyway. i am just one out of 6+ billion people; why would it matter if I go to this "Hell"..?

Refutef: http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_nat_deathbed.htm

i want to give you a 1 for being an arrogant christian trying to impose his opinions on me through fear tactics (believe what i belive or you're going to hell!) but i have to admit it was well made

I had a severe allergic reaction to the point where my throat at swollen up and I couldn't breathe, I suffucated and was dead for a good 30 seconds (according to my mother) before I was revived by the paramedics. I saw nothing... It seemed to me as if I had just closed my eyes and opened them again... Proof enough to me that there is no afterlife, I'm not going to waste my time, money, or life following something I know isn't true.

More on BS "deathbed" stories and how dessperate Christians are to lie about people's deaths (apprently, having no shame) in order to feel better about their beliefs. http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume120issue1_more.php?id=1226_0_34_0_C