"Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor and includes any of the following: anime, extreme racism, hardcore pornography, anything illegal, pictures of your friends, inside jokes, etc" This site has none of those and is permissible according to Max. Enjoy.

oops. it does lack humor. It also lacks good taste, but that's not a ToS. Enjoy.

+4

too many inside jokes.

I watched the whole thing. It was well made, aesthetically. There was a page in infidel 4 that went by too quickly. However, I personally disagree with the usage of the word "infidel", as it is most currently used in the context of islamic extremism, and religious extremism in general. Whats more, all we have here is anecdotal evidence that could very plausibly be people second-guessing their athiesm and panicking on their death bed, surely a imaginable situation. All too often the evangelical ytmnders take on a negative tone, simply discrediting the other side. Always with the 'sinners in the hands of an angry god' rhetoric, which this page typifies. Never is a word spoke about the good aspects of christianity, what it has done for people, how it can help.

+3

repost, so -1 from prior score

Well made. Too bad the content still sucked. ^_^

guess you need to find a sponsor for this to see the light of day

+1

Actually I reposted because I had some problems with the sound and some typos initially so I didn't want that to detract from the YTMND. But thanks for watching! :)

Good site to bad the downvoters are on

-2

Btw, for those who are curious, here is a link to the definition of "infidel" http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=infidel&x=0&y=0

Whetstone, for someone spouting "infidel" on a daily basis, you certainly break your religion a hell of a lot. Nearly everything you ever say on this website is a class A example of pride, thinking yourself better than the "unwashed, unsaved masses". Your icon, a cross with your name on it, almost suggesting you believe you ARE the christian religion, is a class A example of this.

Not to mention, if "god" actually were doing these kinds of things to people, wouldn't that be a wrath, a sin? Isn't god supposed to be flawless according to your beliefs? Another thing, in the story of job, the god you so heavily preach gambles with the devil. Isn't gambling a sin? Is his inability to solve the worlds suffering not sloth, yet another sin? There are reasons people don't share carbon copies of your beliefs, whetstone, so please, for the sake of the world, stop preaching with such fervor

http://ytmnd.com/users/shog/votes

Amen brother.

-3

"The only world religion that used infidel as an exact translation of non believer is Islam." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel

+1

There are some interesting stories, but there's nothing here that would be considered unusual or unexpected. If people are told throughout their lives that "X will happen if you don't Y", then they will fear that X will happen when they don't Y, regardless of their own experiences or spiritual precendence.

+2

"guess you need to find a sponsor for this to see the light of day" *Sigh* guess you're right. And I think we all know who that sponsor will be.

you're an idiot, this doesnt come close to answering the questions you posed.

While I disagree with your religious viewpoint, the Sh*tty Slideshow YTMND (Smoothmedia's own term, meant in an endearing manner like "f*ggy short film" nowadays) is pretty well done, with the exception of the creppy music. I hold true to my promise, and will 5 this, however. (wonderers can see Whetstone's Starfox Chick YTMND).

F*ck seven minutes just take a three.

ahahahahaha

O LAWDY THE DEVIL AT MY BED, DEMONS, PLZ LORD SAVE MEE

"guess you need to find a sponsor for this to see the light of day" *Sigh* guess you're right. And I think we all know who that sponsor will be." *goes to sponsor the site*

My eyes hurt of reading white text on black background so fast. And the sound loop gets *really* annoying after 2-3 minutes...

*realizes its already sponsored*

sh*t or get off the pot, peterguy! ante up!

A bit long, though well presented and you cite your sources in YTMND. Unfortunatley, it takes the a very condescending view on the world which gives the christian community a holier than thou look, which is harmful to us christians. You get a 4.

I have significantly increased the size of the slideshow to 800x600 to help with the eyestrain on reading so much text.

"There are some interesting stories, but there's nothing here that would be considered unusual or unexpected. If people are told throughout their lives that "X will happen if you don't Y", then they will fear that X will happen when they don't Y, regardless of their own experiences or spiritual precendence." I agree. If you really wanted me to believe this, collect similar testimonies from people that grew up lacking the Catholic background. Anyway 3'd for being fairly well made but poor content and overuse of "infidel". Some of the screens went too fast.

ill sponsor when this runs out

TL;DR.

I couldn't handle it so I clicked back. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure it was going to suck anyway, so I gave you a 1.

star back for at least being polite

good stuff whetstone :)

-1

effort.

ack no not another whetstone one!! RUN FOR THE HILLS PEOPLE!

NO. First, you followed the cut-and-dry white text on black background, important things highlighted, creepy/repetitive music format. Second, nearly all of your sources were reverends or other church affiliated organizations. You failerd to prove your point by using round logic. You can't convince someone of an afterlife, hell, whatever you want to call it by citing "sources" that are completely biased towards the subject? Empirical evidence is what I demand. Hellfire and brimstone tactics like this is why I left religion a long time ago. however aesthetically your site was very nice. The text scrolled and transitioned smoothly.

I lol'd

I can't stomach another one of these irrational argument acompanied with music pages. It's really offensive(although more than allowable) for you idiots to assert you have some perception of the universe I lack that allows you to dictate my fundmental beleives. Your appeals to majority are really inappropriate for the indeterminate. I seriously ask that if anyone beleives I have taken offense unreasonably, to contact me by PM. Please. Until then, stop insulting my ability to decide for myself.

Wow, utter bullsh*t. Hooray for fear tactics. Your argument amounts to a threat of physical violence. BOO, YOU GONNA GET IT. The brain is us, we are our brains, when our brain dies so do we. We dont magically appear somewhere you silly silly man.

stupidity must be paid for...who will pay for yours?

This site fails to make a case. Saying that numerous people have seen similar visions even though they never met warrants trueth is flawed, since they almost certainly heard of similar accounts of hell from multiple sources. Would have 2'd it because this shows you put some thought into this, but wasn't funny, so 1'd.

Go here: http://skepdic.com/nde.html

I liked this alot. Nice text movement, interesting topic. Worthy.

I'm suprised. Peterguy DIDN'T sponsor this.

Thousands of people report being abducted by aliens every year and most have similar stories, but I highly doubt you would find this as compelling evidence to the existance of extraterrestrial life. Furthermore, all of these "infidels" were westerners. Find an "infidel" outside of the influence of western culture say the same at death and maybe I would see an argument. 1

See you in Hell! ^__^

5

Hate to tell you this, but I've read the Bible, and last I checked, there's a nice portion of Hell reserved for condecending bastards who preach like hypocrites.

This doesn't even come close to being proof, as is pretty well established by comments above me. But it was an interesting and well made slideshow.

This YTMND is as pointless as this comment

Good YTMND.

Lame, and uninteresting

I challange anyone who mentioned it in the comments to find an unbiased source on deathbed ravings. Only Christian clergy and friends of the deceased seem to have the wherewithal to hold out through such a frightening ordeal. I'll tell you what though, there is nothing more painful to attend than the death of an unsaved person. My dad has been to dozens of those funerals and he feels completely drained spiritually, physically, and emotionally. And no, my dad ain't no pastor. He's a Commander (Ret.) in the US Navy, and he's seen plenty of good men die.

You know what, f*ck you irukanji, not everyone is a Christian. Let those people rest in peace without you having to tell everyone how you feel so bad they didn't believe what you did. F*ck you. go here: http://skepdic.com/nde.html

The introduction, terminology, and hypocrisy make this a winner. Skepticism is "an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object", so to say that they are certain would mean that they were not skeptics. To say that, dying men either delerious from old age or in delerium from great pain (or the old-school remedies that people cooked up in the times before modern medicine) are not exactly the most trustworthy witnesses, and of course testimony is neither scientifically admissible or even considered. Calling everyone an infidel is laughable, honestly, and it ruins any integrity this piece might ever wish to have.

Gee, did it ever occur to anyone that these experiences could be caused by the lack of oxygen to the brain? Uh...DUH PEOPLE. WAKE. THE. F*CK. UP

...tired of preachers, tired of religious ytmnds, tired of this bs

Infidel typically has a HIGHLY negative connotation, so by calling these people infidels you are actually discrediting their own stories. Personally, you can call me an infidel all you'd like because in the place of "man of faith" or "men of faith" I use the word "sheep". It's not a coincidence that the singular and the plural are one and the same, as it kills the self. Nietzsche would love to have a go at you. ikanreed makes some good points, as well, and we can now see that your apologetic tactics were, as we all knew, thinly veiled evangelism. Evangelism is not welcome outside of the bible belt, and the bible belt is about as welcome as slavery. Oh, and the bible belt was responsible for that, by the way.

Remade it huh? Still full of false quotes and made up conversion tales. F*ck your little church group sponsorship circle so you get. Thanks for calling us infidels, it only highlights that we are the oppressed. If you had done any research on Voltaire, you would see you are prooving his points on the evils of religion.

thanks for sending me this whets. I see your point is made even further on why God dose exist. Still needs more nedm lol

Demons at work. Nice work tho, very artistic. sound was creepy.

Brilliant.

BTW, the Greeks saw Thantos coming to take them away. I'm counting that as proof of Zeus.

Great research, very creepy stuff! Oh, and Jesus will pay for mine! kthxbai! :D

I wonder if any Hindu or Buddhist "infidel" has experianced such a death. Have past Dalai Lamas experianced visions of demons from hell prior to death due to their lack of faith in Christ, or have they gone confidently holding faith in their non-Christian form of "release". Perhaps such visions only are found in atheists under the influence of a Christian culture. You must remember that atheists of the western world are not the only "non-christians".

This is the greatest piece of flame-rising trollery I have ever witnessed on this site. The Holy Church of GNAA commends you my son.

This is interesting, Solomon Benjamin Shaw's writings have no scientific credibility, as none of his works can be found anywhere but evangelical sites. Also, his account of Voltaire's could not have been first had, as he died over 100 years before he first published deathbed ramblings.

Frankly this reeks bias. When hypocrites such as whetstone decide that to be "thrown into the burning pit" means a fire and brimstone Hell they are mistaken. Gehenna (aka the burning pits) were areas outside the city walls of Roman occupied Arabia where garbage was burned. These pits were also used to burn the bodies of those not deserving a proper burial (Murderers, Rapists, False Prophets, etc.) Because the Jewish people belived that when a body died the soul went to Sheol (not an afterlife more like a sleep than actual death) where it would wait until the last days when it would be reunited with the undamaged body and ressurected by G-D. Burning a body would deny an afterlife at all and would be the worst fate imaginable. Gehena is not Hell.

Get a life.

So you're telling me unbelievers go to hell?!?! INCREDIBLE!

You know, part of me is genuinely fascinated by whetstone for no other reason than being a religious fanatic of a most unusual order. While mainstream Christianity has evolved from the hellfire and brimstone sermons of the reformation to the peachy-keen pep rallies of modern church stadiums, whetsone harkens back to a very sinister and gothic disposition that was the mainstay of Catholicism during the middle ages. Hell, if you want to get really sullen about the whole Christ situation, read up on of the founders of Calvinist theology who believed salvation was predetermined and human will to be nonexistent.

It’s actually a far more logical doctrine than the tenuous theology of those feel-good evangelicals, but as a religious product it’s far less marketable and quite a bit of a downer if you end up on the wrong side of God’s cosmic coinflip. Anyway, as much as I admire whetsone’s aesthetic prowess, the “arguments” presented here aren’t even at a high school debate team level. We should follow Jesus because a handful of dying men had obscure visions and desperate fixations on atoning for their sins? Were death not a fundamental fear, an emotion that drives men to careless and illogical behavior, there might be the foundation of an argument here somewhere.

However, if you’re saying that we should carelessly abandon thousands of years of scholarly, philosophical progress for nothing more than a blind promise that any street corner bum could offer, then be honest and forthright about it. You want us to think like children. You want us to cower and tremble in fear of our terrible Godparent, the same one who, by logical inference, created every evil and affliction that inhabits this world. That is, unless you were speaking of Gnosticism and the blind god Samael, but you don’t strike me as that well-informed.

Does god know you're advertising for him? I don't think he'd like that kind of zeal. What with the whole "those who wear their faith on their sleeves keep it not in their heart" thing.

My churchly upbringing allows me to recall 1 Corinthians 13:11: “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” When I was I child I was afraid of the dark. Now, as a man, I understand than fear is nothing but ignorance. We fear what we do not understand. When I was a child I also feared God. Now, as an enlightened man, I fear nothing...

PICTURE! SOUND! TEXT! Not a F*ggy Short Film.

Hey if I have already broke alot of the ten commandments dont I already have a reservation in hell?

nope.. cause Jesus took your punishment.

Since you resubmitted this, I guess I have to re-comment. "Personal Pics=no" Hey, biblethumper, get the f*ck off ytmnd you f*cking c*ntbag- how many times do you have to be told? Even max told you to get the f*ck out with your religious sh*t. You're a dumb sh*t, you know that? Stop cramming sh*t down peoples' throats. Yeah, you put a disclaimer before your f*ggy slideshow. You really think that's going to stop people from looking at it? No, you don't, do you. You're edging it off for all the curious to plunge off of a 7-minute long cliff. F*ck you churchie.

lol fear mongering

I clicked back because I don't like to read but nothing happened because YTMND opens new windows.

Also, zer0hue, you are one of my favorite people on this site, and I thank you tonnes for connoting everything I had to say but hadn't the effort to.

this blows for several reasons: 1. all this jesus crap is annoying and tiresome 2. ytmnd probably isnt the best place to preach your religeon 3. fundies in general piss me off. go back to church. 4. john proctor called it- GOD IS DEAD. get over it.

lolfantasy. -5 for christians.

People aren't exactly rational when they're dying. Do some actual research on near-death experiences, moron.

*positive and uplifting comment, a few words of encouragement* I also like your logo. I would buy a whetstone shirt.

Oh, about Voltaire: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/george_foote/infidel_deathbeds.html#1.80

llo, he said "I couldn't handle it so I clicked back. Fortunately, I'm pretty sure it was going to suck anyway, so I gave you a 1."

Once again proving that people will spend money on anything. And, btw, Graham Chapman of Monty Python was /laughing/ when he died. You LOSE, sir.

Boring and pointless.

For those who continue to have a problem with the term 'infidel' please visit http://www.infidels.org/ and see that internet atheists/secularists accept the title.

4'd only because i'd like to hear something from Mozarts Requiem

very good

Needs more Limp Bizkit

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I'm an internet atheist/secularist, and I *don't* accept the title. More blanket statements and generalizations to back up an argument that couldnt hold water if it had a rubber liner. Go somewhere else with your religion peddling.

to answer the first two questions: "Nothing you can see, cuz u dead.", and "No."

In the end, you are nothing but a bigot who cannot understand that non-believers are decent people that live and die as happily as anyone else. That people convert to Christianity proves nothing: people also deconvert FROM Christianity. So what? And the Voltaire story is well known... and bogus. But if you can't convert in life, you can just lie about it, no?

on a related note, I do not see the big "heaven vs hell" issue anyway. i am just one out of 6+ billion people; why would it matter if I go to this "Hell"..?

Refutef: http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_nat_deathbed.htm

i want to give you a 1 for being an arrogant christian trying to impose his opinions on me through fear tactics (believe what i belive or you're going to hell!) but i have to admit it was well made

I had a severe allergic reaction to the point where my throat at swollen up and I couldn't breathe, I suffucated and was dead for a good 30 seconds (according to my mother) before I was revived by the paramedics. I saw nothing... It seemed to me as if I had just closed my eyes and opened them again... Proof enough to me that there is no afterlife, I'm not going to waste my time, money, or life following something I know isn't true.

More on BS "deathbed" stories and how dessperate Christians are to lie about people's deaths (apprently, having no shame) in order to feel better about their beliefs. http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume120issue1_more.php?id=1226_0_34_0_C

Who are these trolls who claim it is "well made"? It's an endless bunch of gif panels with no sync, and cut-n-paste loops. There is no reason at all for it to even be a YTMND instead of just being text on a page.

When I read the word "infidel", I expect to see pictures of drugged people being blind-folded and shot/beheaded at some basement in baghdad, not your sh*tty slideshow.

Jesus,lol.

I proudly accept the term infidel, it it is only a negative connotation because the believers want it to be.

ive seen hell.... in my dreams...

I was thinking at first that this was probably some guy who had his thoughts about death. But by the second guy I realized it was a bible thumper site. Really boring, pointlessly scary, and really dumb.

ahh, CTMNDS are all the same.

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Do any Muslims, Jews, Buhddists, or Hindus cry for Jesus before expiration? The more people that do this beofre death weakens your case, not strengthen. It just shows this is a common psychological panic in death. I like Muslim extremeists because they're way over THERE, whereas the christian extremists are way over HERE. Go away. I don't care.

Everyone one of them was christen at some point of their lives. Dieing in bed without morphine or pain meds will make you say anything. Have you ever seen anyone die?

Agnostic. Died of a massive heart attack. Came back on the table. GUESS WHAT HAPPENED. NOTHING. Actually, I got to go to a Flaming Lips concert for eternity. Either Wayne Coyne is God, or you are full of crap. This is no joke, it's what happened. Anyway, 1 for religious debate, it does not belong here. And also, THIS IS SLOW AS F*CK.

Great, more bible-thumping from our neighborhood friendly fanatic.

This was interesting, so I won't subtract any points, even though it is somewhat disrespectful religious propaganda. But here is what I find really interesting: If I were to assume these accounts were both accurate and representative of how the real world works, then it doesn't reflect too positively on God. I mean, many "infidels" are capable of being very good people: a persons religion seems to be relatively unrelated to how kind or altruistic a person is. If God really punishes people not for their deeds, but for their abstract beleifs, he certainly meets my definition of "Evil," and it is likely that he could even be called a sociopath. So I hope for everyone's sake you are wrong whetstone, but as I said, it isn't a bad ytmnd.

Come on, somebody.

5'd for typical Christian scare tactics.

why do you?

YTMND is not a proper medium for this, nor will it be. It's like advertising high quality nooses on BET; they just aren't gonna sell well and for good reason. A well crafted scare tactic though. Your overlords smile upon you.

i dont go to any church and i believe in scientific authority, but it was strangely odd when I was writing a story in which the character (fictional me) recieves something exactly at 11:33 PM, and after a few hours and going to the bathroom, coming back I saw that it was exactly 11:33 PM. proof that god exists, i should make a ytmnd. whether god was smiling or frowning down on me i can't tell but it was a cool feeling. Whether God actually exists or not, it makes one feel better inside to believe that he is there God, even when you don't follow him.

It was a neat site, and you've done a lot of research...but it still bothers me that you seem to have an obsession with attributing what you determine to be 'facts' and 'evidence' for a faith based system. Are you doing this for us...or for YOURSELF?

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” -Mahatma Gandhi

1) your gif is too quick. 2) shut the f*ck up. 3) gay 4) go f*ck yourself. 5) your a moron. 1.

You had one thing right in your YTMND, you'd have to be doped up on morphene to believe in heaven or hell. Oh, as for who will pay for my sins, I dedicate you.

So, according to this, anyone who is not a christian dies in horrible fright and pain. Which is bullsh*t, since I've unfortunately seen several "infidels" die without meds or morphine nad none of them thought they were burning and going to hell. I wish you people would stop pushing your agenda on us.

they see the same thing because they are exposed to the same media outlets that impose these ideas

...also c*cks.

NEEDS MORE NEDM!

5 for effort, but your still attempting to push your religion on us so I can only give you a 2.

Would work better as a web page or forum ost than a sh*tty slideshow. I can read faster than this. Thn again, you need YTMND to get enough attention.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rabblerouser

Damn you religious people are stupid. You try so hard to justify the stupid sh*t you stand for, but you fail every time. You seriously think it's strange that they 'all' saw 'the same' thing?

Oh, by the way, heres a definition of 'deranged'. http://www.answers.com/topic/deranged-2

also c*cks

Scaring the Atheists = 5.

For me the Text is to fast, i'm sorry i'm a slow reader :(

I think its funny that people describe dantes fictional hell and the church uses it to full effect. the white spirit is false! pray to the red spirit instead!

ZZzzzzzzzzzzz

id rather die than go to heaven

Nice and well made, good research. I understand that internet aetheist may accept the term infidel, but I still think a better word could have been used. I agree with other people who have posted comments. Hellfire and damnation is nothing fun perhaps a ytmnd showing the good things Jesus/Christianity have done for people would be better?

As a philosopher I feel compelled to defend Voltaire. Upon a little more research it seems your account of his death is an old lie half propagated by priests and half by Abbe Barruel. The actual account of his death is given by Wagniere, his Secretary: "He expired about a quarter past eleven at night, with the most perfect tranquility, after having suffered the cruelest pains in consequence of those fatal drugs, which his own imprudence, and especially that of the persons who should have looked to it, made him swallow. Ten minutes before his last breath he took the hand of Morand, his valet-de-chambre, who was, watching him; pressed it, and said, 'Adieu, mon cher Morand, je me meurs -- Adieu, my dear Morand, I am gone.'

These are the last words uttered by M. de Voltaire." [Carlyle, Vol. II., p. 160.] He made no recantation and indeed refused the oppertunity several times refusing it last to the Cure of St. Sulpice who asked if he acknowledged the divinity of "our Lord Jesus Christ" Voltaire responded by pushing one of his hands against the Cure's calotte (coif), shoving him back, and crying out while turning abruptly to the other side, "let me die in peace (Laissez-moi mourir en paix)." It is further made evident that Voltaire made no recantation in the fact that the Bishop of Troyes sent a peremptory dispatch to the Prior of Scellieres, which lay in his diocese, forbidding him to inter the "heritics's" remains.

Had he recanted he would have been afforded a Christian burial. You have lied to me once I do not trust the rest of your material. In response I lower your rating to a one.

Zomg jesus teh daemons are burning my genitals. SAVE ME !!

Obviously there is dispute from the infidel camp about the death of Voltaire- and I knew this when creating this YTMND. The problem is that even the atheist websites do not agree on the details of Voltaire's death- causing me to question their reliability. They attribute the details in this story as 'rumors' and so on. When we come down to it, however- we find that a lot of rumor is founded upon truth, and a good many clergy and townfolk of that time were convinced well enough that these details I have given you are true. Decide what you want.

The very fact that you said that there is an "infidel camp" voids any argument you might have had.

Wow, that awful! You didn't make any point at all! Unless the point was to waste our time. Oh by the way, people near to death that become guilty of how they lived != proof of anything.

lol jesus sux!!

"Obviously there is dispute from the infidel camp" No, the textual accounts are clear and no biography I possess mentions your slander as more than slander. It is possible that his secretary lied for him but he had no motivation whilst many religious people had motivation to slander the popular writer Voltaire (and steal his remains some years later dumping them elsewhere). If you would like to change the title of the work to "The *Possible* Cries of the Infidels" you may, but it surly blunts your impact. Whatever the case, it is evident that Voltaire made no recantation, at least no acceptable recantation.

We are spiritual creatures, yet people choose to ignore that aspect of their lives.

"Voltaire is reputed to have proclaimed about the bible, "In 100 years this book will be forgotten and eliminated...", although there is no direct evidence that he made such a statement. In his later years (1759) Voltaire purchased an estate called "Ferney" near the French-Swiss border. There is an apocryphal story that this house was purchased by the Geneva Bible Society and used for printing bibles, but this appears to be due to a misunderstanding of the 1849 annual report of the American Bible Society [1]. Voltaire's chateau is now owned and administered by the French Ministry of Culture." YOU SIT ON A THRONE OF LIES.

"I challange anyone who mentioned it in the comments to find an unbiased source on deathbed ravings. Only Christian clergy and friends of the deceased seem to have the wherewithal to hold out through such a frightening ordeal." There are, more than likely, no objective sources. Thanks for proving our point. Christian sources are no better. Also, I'd like to see you prove that second statement with some facts. Without facts, you're just spinning your wheels. Nothing new for your crowd. I think that all religious experiences occur in the brain. I think that God is a product of the brain and not the other way around. This can be and has been proven. You lose good day sir.

"For those who continue to have a problem with the term 'infidel' please visit http://www.infidels.org/ and see that internet atheists/secularists accept the title." Atheists and secularists are people, not an organization. I would accept the term to spite evangelicals but never on its own because of its highly negative connotation. There are many Christians who have come to believe that there is no god. Does that mean that Christians believe that there is no god? Get a clue.

"Whether God actually exists or not, it makes one feel better inside to believe that he is there God, even when you don't follow him." People need to learn to speak from personal experience personally and not for everyone else. I believe that if there is a god then we are all just sheep and god is responisble for everything we say and do. If there is no god, we still might not be able to break determinism, but at least we are being directly determined by that which we see. I'd much rather be pused by the man at my back than the man behind the curtain. I've seen Wizard of Oz.

I enjoy something a little different from time to time. However, I would recommend putting the definition of infidel into the beginning of the YTMND, if only to dispel the idea that this may be a radical Islamic rant.

If I find a group of Protestants calling themselves heretics to spite Catholicism can I call all Christians everywhere heretics? That seems to be the logic used with the "infidel title".

I love how half of the upvotes are sarcastic. See, whetstone, i told you, when you go negative, stuff like korf41 happens.

"The problem is that even the atheist websites do not agree on the details of Voltaire's death- causing me to question their reliability. They attribute the details in this story as 'rumors' and so on. When we come down to it, however- we find that a lot of rumor is founded upon truth, and a good many clergy and townfolk of that time were convinced well enough that these details I have given you are true. Decide what you want." Agreement on details is uncorrelated to truth. Atheist websites are not created equal, atheists are not created equal, atheists have nothing to do with one another. Atheists do not follow any one given creed. Atheism is not a belief structure, it is merely the absence of one. Quit being a complete idiot.

Atheist sites are not expected to give correct information as they have an agenda and do not have any sort of journalistic integrity, JUST LIKE CHRISTIAN SITES. Unbiased sites will give you unbiased information, and if the accounts given are unreliable, then the accounts from the given time are probably unreliable. Hence, all of your accounts are probably unreliable. However, iwpoe seems to find precise details of the incident from the only man in a position to actually do anything- the man who he trusted at his side when he died. You lose in so many facets it is unbelievable. I would say go to some other country with you evangelicalism, but, like Nietzsche and Voltaire said, their world (Europe) doesn't want you anymore. God is dead.

"The infidel camp" is not an existent camp, as you proved. You went to several "infidel camps" that are not the same "infidel camp" and cross referenced their material and found that each "infidel camp" was different from the other. This would imply that each "infidel camp" was separate from the others and that callin all "infidels" the "infidel camp" is obviously a terrible use of language. Just like calling all people who are not Christians "infidels" is a terrible use of language.

"When we come down to it, however- we find that a lot of rumor is founded upon truth, and a good many clergy and townfolk of that time were convinced well enough that these details I have given you are true. Decide what you want." A good many clergy and townsfolk of any given time period are easily convinced by anything if they are poorly educated enough. A good deal of the time rumors may be founded on truth, but that has no bearing on whether or not this rumor was founded on truth, and it appears that it was not. Even if the biographical accounts are not founded on truth, it has no bearing on whether or not this obviously fabricated account is true. Please go to college, get an education, study logic, some philosophy, and read up on the word unbiased.

john edwards would be proud. 2'd for effort.

*Yawn* Poor attempt at conversion. GTFO.

You go to heaven for doing good deeds,not following your rules.

-1, becuse the loop was annoying. Another dropped point, because some of them went by too fast for me to read.

Why should I be a Christian? Because if I'm not one I'll burn in Hell. It's glorified fear mongering. If you want to be a Christian, that's fine with me, but don't try and force your views upon me and others.

Rumors, ghost stories and pre-death insanity != unfaltering, absolute truth. Nor can you say "You're all going to hell!" as if it was a fact. Why the hell are you still around? This website is not your personal soapbox. Go preach your stupidity somewhere else.

From a brother in Christ: You're not going to convert people by calling them infidels and scaring them with Hell, especially without any actual proof. For all intents and purposes any of these dying people could have merely realized how close they are to death, had second thoughts about the afterlife, and decided to convert just to be sure. Please keep your judgement in check. The only people who deserve to be treated in this manner by Christians are Christians themselves. Never once did Jesus blast a sinner for what he did, just loved them, and when the time was right encouraged them to turn away from sin. But he let the religious Pharisees have it. So the next time you decide to evangelize, please remember to love your neighbor as yourself.

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lol, sounds like my death will be grim!

Stop using "infidel" like you're above everyone just cause you're a chiristian.

More of the typical "the atheist in the foxhole prays the loudest" or whatever that garbage is. Nobody knows what happens when we die, and it's certainly not printed in an ancient book written and edited by men, or in the testimony of morons.

There are probrably more accounts of seeing UFOs than there are of this phenomenon you speak of...and they aren't real. Plus, I don't really get the point of this since there are millions of other people who die without this great experience. Wouldn't all people be subject to it? Or are they just the good ones?

Listen to wardav. All these do is make you look like an *ssh*l*e. Thankfully not all Christians are as closed-minded.

Let's face it: the Christian god is an *ssh*l*e. He's like a father that's never home, but still expects his little brats to call him "daddy" (even though they never see him) and promises to overwhelm their lives-past-childhood with misery and pain and suffering if they don't. I've met more mature 7-year-olds than that old bearded bastard. The Bible: NOW AVAILABLE IN DOUBLE-PLY!!

Ulmassir, read Dante's "Inferno" to have better insight into that. In short, your bias of pleasure = good, pain = bad is what confuses you. Pain and pleasure are in this case are both signs of god's mercy and love from a biblical stand point if they are just. Punishment in hell is a result of human action, something that god dishes out justly to each person. If he were to grant infinte pleasure to those who are evil on earth, it would be unjust and thus contradict the universal truths of the universe. Love and mercy then become subjecting one to the truths of the universe absolutely. Make sense?

i'll pray for you, my child.

god told me to downvote you or I'd burn forever.

whatabout Buddah?

You'll all find out when you die! For those of you who spend your lives wondering what comes after; just kill yourselves already. You'll surely find out then. Either that or spend the rest of your lives debating the existence of God which inevitably gets you nowhere.

f*ggy long film

The difference is that the "atheist" sites cite actual historians and credible historical sources... while whetstone cites what are basically witnessing phamplets.

When did Cyberman get a YTMND account?

My perspective. Believe in Jesus, obtain salvation. Don't believe in Jesus, don't obtain salvation. Your perspective. Believing in Jesus is childish, not real, or uninteluctual because there is no proof by your standards. Not believing in Jesus, you believe there is nothingness after death or whatever. Simply put, If I'm right, I'll be ok, and you will burn. If you are right, nothing happens to both of us. Why go out on a limb for nothingness? Jesus offers a free gift, just take it. :D

3 for effort. not that great made though, things went to fast and over use of words

1 for no NEDM at the end.

well its certainly interesting. but again, I have to chock this up to insanity or demensia before death. I also tend to agree with the statement that hell is what you make of it, therefore to many people earth and life may be hell. the fire's and whatnot could also be an image conjured up by the body's systems shutting down.

I love how nickelplease directly paraphrases Pascal's Wager without having the slightest idea what it is and all the many ways it has been thoroughly discredited as a philosophical argument...

You know what Whetstone? I'm getting pretty f*cking sick of your religious propaganda bullsh*t.

lame.

Expect your site to be deleted if it lacks humor plus f*ggy

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Nice story.

"My perspective. Believe in Jesus, obtain salvation. Don't believe in Jesus, don't obtain salvation. Your perspective. Believing in Jesus is childish, not real, or uninteluctual because there is no proof by your standards. Not believing in Jesus, you believe there is nothingness after death or whatever. Simply put, If I'm right, I'll be ok, and you will burn. If you are right, nothing happens to both of us. Why go out on a limb for nothingness? Jesus offers a free gift, just take it. :D" Pascal's gamble. I know about it. I know that if I choose your way and I am wrong, I have wasted my life. If I choose my way, I get to use this life. I'd rather have a 100% chance at life than... not. Plus, hell wouldn't be so bad. Wait, whetstone would be there...

Ah, Infidels, I guess you are Osama Bin Laden, freash out of San Francisco, enjoying a muffin, I know I am. The thing is, thats all bullsh*t, the only stuff poets and flower boys said to have an interesting death, God is just a cartoon character like Peter Griffin, or a Talking Dog. i'll only go Chrisitan if I get hard proof of the Bullsh*t that is Religion and Christ.

ALLAHU AKBAH! ALLAHU AKBAH!

wow, good thing my good old catholic bible just call hell "A place for those who do not belive" No fire and brimstone for me. Just some place.....

Yeah, 'Some place' like a rent controlled apartment or something.

1 for lies

Religion is the greatest and longest scam running in all of mankinds history. Also c*cks

Korf41"Atheist sites are not expected to give correct information as they have an agenda and do not have any sort of journalistic integrity, JUST LIKE CHRISTIAN SITES." Very True Everything Wardav said pwns.. Like someone previously stated you dont go to heaven because you were "saved". I think that if your a Jew, Muslim or w/e and are a good person, you'll find a place in heaven and learn to accept Christianity.

"BTW, the Greeks saw Thantos coming to take them away. I'm counting that as proof of Zeus." QFT please never make a YTMND again.

I still have yet to watch the whole thing, but it is very compelling thus far. It's sad to see people 1 and complain about the 7 minutes when they sat through the 11 minutes of the telemarker lady's ranting and raving then 5ed it. What is the world coming to? But plz, if you could, slow down the speed of the pics by at least a few seconds on some parts, the frames go by way too fast.

*looking at all th 0s with things saying "this is offensive cuz i dont believe in religion"*... holy sh*t!... I neer knew so many satanists were on ytmnd

Regarding the question about who shall die for my sins, the bible gave me the impression that Jesus suffered and died to forgive all of our sins. He pretty much gave us all a Get Out of Hell Free card.

too slow.

Well this proves... NOTHING. Phailure.

1'ed for an argument based entirely upon urban legends and unsubstantiated loony anecdotes.

What's so impressive about suffering for a few hours on a cross? I know people who go through worse than that every day for years. And they don't get to come back healed and whole in three days.

WhangDhangler, you are right, He did. But when someone tries to give you a gift, you have to take accept that gift or how you gonna use it?

first-of-two, wrong. Watch Passion of the Christ. Or read the Bible. Jesus went through more suffering than is humanly possible to survive normally. And he did not come back as good as new. Also, read the Biblel; he still had the marks.

Silliness. Don't assume you know what I've seen. I HAVE seen PotC, and I've seen people who've been through worse. So what if he still had the marks? They didn't HURT, or he never would have let Thomas touch them. Plus, He still got better.

It lacks humor.

Infidel carries the same connotation as negro, accurate but offensive. I would also like to thank nickelplease for posting the same damn scare tactic that every last one of you converters shout. It's you people that are afraid of the unknown, not us. Stop trying to pull us into the fearful spiritual slavery of medieval days. Stop presenting a "What if you're wrong" scenario when there is no evidence of your position. And stop posting fallacious religious material on a comedy site.

Whetstone, you're a smart guy but I honestly I think you're a bit mentally disturbed. What you've done here isn't thought provoking (were you trying to be?) but quite cold, unsympathetic and historically underdeveloped.

also, it's painfully obvious that "nickelplease" is Peterguy's new alt account, lol.

whetstone: do you forget that you are a GUEST on this site and that Max can do whatever he pleases to any of your sites, mine, or anyone else's? Right off the bat you act like you have some sort of right to have this site. Aesthetically the site is severely lacking and uses blatant, corny psychological effects such as making text red and a black background (POMG HELLFIRE.) Audio is extremely idiotic and gets tiring after the third looping; C-quality horror flicks sound less laughable. Your sources are all heavilly biased and don't represent mainstream scholarly work. Your entire "argument" (if you can even call it that), besides the extremely questionable sources, is a fallacious appeal to fear. If there is any site that ever deserved a 1 it is yours sir.

One thing to add: theology has a pretty in-depth history and there are numerous brilliant theological arguments from theists WHO ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THEIR HEAD UP THEIR A**. If moronic prosyletizers like you actually read up on their own theology and knew how to reason an argument, then maybe they'd have something to add to discourse.

get a f*cking life you f*cking loser.... weird *ss kid

The Stargate is real.. and the show is a documentary!! if 10 seasons and a spinoff series isnt enough proof then lets see your jesus battle the Replicators or the Ori. I'm sure it'll be much more entertaining than the 7minutes i just lost. Luckily, the comments were of higher quality. on a final note i'll leave you with an Arthur C. Clarke quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I read through two of them, but I didn't really see a point to it all, regardless of the fact that the point would be pretty void, depending on people who lived hundreds of years ago giving their dying breaths to disprove or prove something. Also, it's only quoting books, so I can't really acknowledge that as truth. Also, Voltaire was a dick.

This is so pointless. Also I don't think using fear is going to help you convert people on ytmnd. I can't even take this seriously. You need to lighten up and find a way to believe whatever you want to believe in peace, without pestering those who choose to believe otherwise. And no, I'm not an atheist.

Max DID scold you on such things before, did he not? Whatever, as informative as it may be, we aren't talking about a simple court case; we are talking about human psychology. Do the majority of undrugged athiest, knowing they are about to die, repel their infidelity and go to 'christ'? If not, your case is void.

http://www.thewaronfaith.com/ :) The only difference between God and Adolph Hitler is that God is much more proficient at mass genocide.

the pastor left me alone with jesus and jesus teabagged me

*insert nonsensical retort with no evidence to prove either existence or non-existence here*

THIS SITE CONVERTED ME BROTHER

Awesome

Hitler's in Heaven, end of story.

Yes, let us pretend to love God and pretend to be moral, upright individuals merely out of fear. I'm sure God wouldn't see through that.

Love the font on the front

Four things I love about this YTMND: (1) using the word infidel-- congratulations you basically equated yourself with Islamic extremists in my mind; (2) blatantly lying about the circumstances of Voltaire's death; (3) never referring to any of the other "infidels" by name, and (4) using as your main source a book that is more biased than the Bible. You, good sir, fail with an intensity more often seen in success. I think Voltaire said it best: "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it."

I have to agree with some people. Its not a very proveable thing. I mean, I mean everyone knows what Hell is supposed to look like so it can be obvious that they may see that image they learned about. Although I'm sure there's more to it, it lacks definate proof. You would have to prove to us that each of these people didn't know what hell looked like or never heard of it before in order to be more influential

Just so you guys know, I talked to Max in PM last time around and he had this to say to me: "|i'm not saying your site doesn't fall under allowable guidelines, you are free to create pretty much anything you like here and i probably wont stop you, but at the same time i have the right to despise you 8)"

As a sceptic myself, I've found this site truly epic. Ignore any sh*t my collegues give you, this stuff is gold! (Although I raised an eyebrow at the use of the word "infidel")

Wow, I've just read more of the comments and it's really pathetic how naive my fellow sceptics can be. O_o

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Good read, just for next time don't use the term "infidel"

Crock. And the only thing worse than a f*ggy short film is a f*ggy long one.

Also, hallucinations preceding death are common. And the fact that all but one of these are from unsourced, unidentified common people, well. I can write bad fiction too.

Meh.

...Changed my vote to a 1 due to your inability to co-exist with people who just have different opinions than you...and you calling everyone infidels scares the SH*T out of me. :/

Rock on wardav,good points there.

Nice ^-^