maybe you both dont understand what god is

You're putting words into his mouth, whetstone might say "1, next please"

you sir win for having at least a some what decent knowledge and understanding of physics

I wonder if we can officially call this part of the "God" fad?

If he says anything substantially different from what I said, I'll revise the site accordingly.

YTMND: It's not just for humor anymore.

problems with this: 1.) to make it easy, we define everything as "the Universe". The opposite of "everything" is the Null (Empty) Set. Thus, if something "exists outside of space and time" = "it does not exist and it has never existed" 2.) a set is always a member of itself

Who said God hasn't came into being? He has physically interacted with this world, is that enough of 'coming into being' for you?

Brilliant!

wow, someone should sponsor this.

if you dont like christian stuff on here, puting anti-religous stuff isnt going to help

i would 5 this because i like the spirit, but you make correct statements supported by incorrect logic.

icn, no, a set is not a member of itself. It can be considered a SUBSET of itself, but not a MEMBER of itself. As for the "null set," for the purposes of this argument it doesn't matter that that set is completely empty, since the argument doesn't conclude that God doesn't exist, only that Whetstone's argument can't prove it.

http://jesusowesmemoney.ytmnd.com

alright fine, if you distinguish between "member" and "subset", thats good.

x514N, if God came into being, that's all well and good -- but that doesn't thereby save Whetstone's argument (nor would you NEED it, if you were right!).

"i refuse to prove that i exist" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, i am nothing!" "Ah," says man, "but the babelfish is a dead giveaway, isnt it? It proves you exist, and therefore by your own arguments, you dont!" "oh, i hadnt thought of that..." says god, and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

verite, my stuff isn't explicitly anti-religious, by which I mean it isn't pro-atheism. I happen to be an atheist, but I don't wanna convince other YTMNDers to be atheists as well, because that would make me a hypocrite. No, I'm just responding to the Christbots that seem to have sprung up lately, thereby ensuring a level playing field.

well, im christian and if i see those sites, most of which are horrible or stupid, i one it. I could throw together something too, but i like my YTMND funny, thats all

Fair enough, I suppose.

Why this ytmnd is flawed. GOD IS NOT A HUMAN.

Yeah. So?

So? You said something like god stepped out of the time something something, so he wouldn't have the time to create the universe!" He's god, not a human, the laws of physics, gravity, time, and all that other stuff DOESN'T apply to him, you're using human logic, and applying it to god, what I'm trying to say is that human logic doesn't apply to God.

yo guys god is a sentient being up in the clouds of space lol

If you can't use logic, whats the damn point of arguing at all? You can't argue (effectively) about how logic doesn't work in some instances without using logic in your own statement. FTW.

if laws of physics don't apply to God, then he can not interact with the Universe. if he can not interact with the Universe, he is not part of the Universe, and thus does not exist.

heh heh...nice. I'll five you for promoting me. Any press is good press.

every hard question pointed towards the flaws in a theistic world view ends in the same answer. "magic." If everything has a cause, then what caused god? how is god the only thing that has no cause? because he's god, and god is magic.

Bravo. Thank you. You can't cure the diseased, but I believe you've slowed the rate of infection.

"Considering the marvelous complexity of the universe...matter, energy, gravity, time, dimensions... I believe that our existence must be more than either of you philosophers." ;)

Awesome

Dan Barker said it best: "If everything needs a cause, then there can be no first cause; and if you nonetheless assert a First Cause, I will ask how you know (assume) that there can be an uncaused cause. If a deity can be thought eternal, so can the universe. God-belief does not answer any question; it just replaces a mystery with a mystery: if god made anything, who made god?"

You, sir, have done a good thing this day.

Come on Whetstone, respond to his points.

However, I think maybe I should 1 this site. It gives bait for the god squad who are using this site as a recruitment ground.

Perfectly done!

i'm buying you a pizza.

I'M NOT A F*CKING SPEEDREADER

i enjoy the music

I think the point is that know one knows, and I think everyone needs to remember that, also f*ck people who aren't open minded enough to understand people can have different opinions on religion aka christains

I kind of agree... but really.. politics and religion dont belong on ytmnd, unless you're poking fun at it of course.

Add horsedick for 5

TLDR get all this debate onto the forums.

5 becuase my head just exploded

Whetstone was PWNED, good job. ^.^

omg did you know that steve irwin died????????

In the end, God is perfectly and logically POSSIBLE, but cannot be proven to exist or not to exist. But, at the least, this can shut moronic right-wing morons up.

I like how the only response theists can give to this is "GOD DID IT, WHY? BECAUSE HE IS GOD!"..that of course is begging the question, or some other logical fallacy...or just plain stupidity.

Jessica Alba is proof of God's existence.

you obviously thought about this a lot more than I did

I love a good debate - especially by an intelligent guy.

5'd because Whetstone or whatever his name is is an idiot. 1 because I'm Christian. Look, you're using human knowledge to try and justify the existence of a supernatural being. Humans do not have the mental capacity to understand such things, such as "God does not suffer from laws that govern the universe". Humans, when trying to think of eternity, have a hard time as well. We just don't have the mental prowess to prove/disprove the existence of God.

Your trying to answer the question, "Why is there something instead of nothing." There is no definite answer.

Indeed, Whetsone might say those things, if he had a brain.

Brilliant refutations.

Flawless. ^_^

◄Up and coming! Props to you! :) If I get around to answering anything in this site, I'll probably put it in the objections section of my YTMND. I'll keep you posted.►

god got horsef*cked in this ytmnd

5

zzzzzzz. thanks professor.

zomg a philosophy debate on the internets!

I would give this a six if I could, and sponsor it if I could grow cash...

Great job.

You are both wrong? No seriously.. why is it the most nerdy people are also the most retarded people in existance.. your trying to prove or disprove something that has nothing to do with proving in the first place.

I understood 3 words in this YTMND...

For some reason the vote doesn't work, but you'd get a 1 for arguing something that isn't worth arguing as nobody can win. It's called being gay.

OBJECTION!

Very interesting. I enjoyed reading this.

You forgot to include the explanation on why I should care. Your argument with this guy isn’t insightful or funny, for that matter. This is a debate that neither side can really win.

My head hurts... I'm gonna f*ck off and have a wank. Bye!

100% solid. Your arguments against his site are much like mine. You are making a name for yourself as a reasonable counter to all things ridiculous on the internet. Be proud of that.

OWNAGE!!

Thank you.

Putting words in someone else's mouth is a basic no-no in debating. Also, if a creater creates something, doesnt that mean he is over it? The question where God came from is valid. Yet I find it much more likely that a superior being created us, rather than we evolved and had such amazing luck that we evolved and have our body that is so complex, its almost impossible by chance.

Mindf*ck. @_@

Non-Beilievers run the internet. That is a great track you put together.

Your argument is just as pointless as Whetstone's, though I think trying to verbalize it, as he did, is worth something. The fact is, though, and a few ppl on this page have said it already, you can't prove God exists. You can't prove he doesn't. The laws of physics as we know it break down at the Big Bang Singularity. We don't and can't know what happened prior to the Big Bang (if the word 'prior' can even be used), so everyone should stop arguing.

Also, creating a ytmnd for the sole purpose of tearing another, rather well-made if slightly erroneous, ytmnd down. There's not point, cuz your argument isn't better than his, in fact its worse because you use big words that you probably don't understand. thats why you get a 1

shoshone, evolution isn't chance, it is the opposite of chance. Natural selection is not chance! EVOLUTION IS NOT CHANCE. Has it sunk in yet?

u win

God is a creation of Man.

I wonder if anyone is gonna make a "Why It Is Irrelevant to Argue over the Existance of God" YTMND.

pwnt :)

-2 for f*ggy short film, +3 for pwning whetstone

Strong understanding of the underlying fundaamental principles of logic, unlike the preceding and inspiring ytmnd. Total win.

Good rebuttals. I was thinking of others, but yours are interesting as well...

Absolutely and utterly fantastic rebuttal. Too bad the Christians will get all bent out of shape and downvote this into the pits of YTMND hell.

I agree with these objections. I also don't beleive it's possible to either logically prove or disprove the existance of God.

pathetic... the flaws in whetstone's site are so obvious that making a site about it is just indicative of how bright you are...

-1 for assuming what whetstone would say.. needs more direct attack.. good logic :)

> shoshone Tell that to Socrotes, or many other rhetorical speakers.

EXCELENT rebuttal, much better worded then my limited response in the comments of his site. well done!

objection 3. A lot of arguments for "god" usually leave me asking, "well, why can't the universe itself just have that attribute?"

yo way to prove i dont exist :( *stops existing

;D

whetstone put out a really good argument. then you put out a better one. i want more of this. very thoughtful.

THANK YOU!

shog is an idiot, as well as anyone whom thought this site and whetstone's were "thoughtful" (which doesn't even make any f*cking sense... do you even know what the f*cking word means you illiterate trogolodyte)

I like the music. You made it? Do you have some hosted somewhere?

I'm starting to wonder if Peterguy, Whetstone and a few others are part of a group (or even the same person). I see Peterguy donated to Whetstone's site and I see similairities in what they make: http://morecircularreasoning.ytmnd.com/ Oy...

plz don't feed the born agains thx

5 for reasoning, NEDM, and Wonka.

OK, all of these ytmnd's are really really ignorant and stupid. Both side s of the argument. You people don't even know what religion is. God does not prove himself, even sometimes he throws out theories which disprove the existance. Why would he do that? Because religion IS faith. God does not want disbeliever in heaven, he wants you to trust him in that ther is a God, without faith, you have science.

High Five for others who are philosophers or study philosophy! It's funny, because I was thinking of doing a ytmnd almost exactly like this when I saw that YTMND.

Did you guys even read and understand what he said before posting? :P

rollonbustas, so that means to God, heaven is a big treehouse with "No Girls Allowed" on it? Kinda petty for a supreme being :P

ytmnd.com is populated by the serf class of humanity as evident by the comments here

This is like, a freakishly large amount of pwnt-logic. You win the internets

THANK YOU. You voiced my thoughts EXACTLY, and told this fool off. All I could do was respond in like 100th comment, kind of useless.

kudos, not for disputing god or whatever, but for pointing our more than a few booboos. this is not anti-religous, just anti-stupid argument.

You cant explain god and you cant disprove him eather. Debate all you want but in the end you going to be even more confused. you both maid compeling arguments, but in the end your both rong. there are enough holes in both of them to make a necklace. your just going to have to belive what you want and nothing more. -Science and God are worlds apart.