To the downvoters- feel free to tell me that this is not what evolutionists expect us to believe? Feel free to be scholarly about it.

blind faith must be stopped in all its forms

You know that there is actual evidence for evolution, right? It's not just specialization or whatever you're not thinking about.

You should trust it because evolutionary textbooks are backed up by hard evolutionary facts and logical evolutionary reasoning. It's not blind faith, it's intelligence.

hmm, supposed to say im an atheist offended by this, but just becuase someone does, or does not agree with you, that does not mean they do or do not have a f'ing clue what they are talking about. which is the real point people should be taking from these 2 ytmnd's

To Gobblock- You seem like one of those "OH LORDY JESUS" people, who try to push your opinions and beliefs onto others. I mean, i'm a Christian- not a strong one- and respect everyone elses beliefs. You saying blind faith must be stopped at all forms... that disrespectful to everyone here who has different beliefs and religions. Anyways, Whetstone, good ytmnd. 3 cause it was basically ripped off another, but you made your point across.

Is this a joke or do you actually think that about evolution.

If idiot creationists would actually read about evolution instead of just looking at it from a cingular view trying nothing but to pick it apart they would realize just how damn well founded it is.

lol, ignorance

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html Have fun reading. If you don't read then you really don't care at all and you're an *sshole for pretending like you actually wanted evidence so you lied and you're against Jesus' principles. Sinner.

"You should trust it because evolutionary textbooks are backed up by hard evolutionary facts and logical evolutionary reasoning." ...Hard Evolutionary Facts?! My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?

"If idiot creationists would actually read about evolution instead of just looking at it from a cingular view trying nothing but to pick it apart they would realize just how damn well founded it is." You don't sound like the critical type. Do you still believe in Santa too?

Octopusonfire: my point is, the individual must make up their own mind, or else what people believe makes the world go around turns into a popularity contest decided by who raised you. I belive in the principles of science, dont assume something is right becuase it seems that way, dont make claims you can back up, and if you dont know why something happens dont just make it up, its okay to not know everything, as long as you admit what you dont know, explain your rationale, and be willing change your mind

Of course it has. Scientists are discovering things everyday that support evidence of the evolution theory. Why haven't they found the remnants of the garden of eden? Is there evidence that the world was flooded (Noah's ark)? Using LOGICAL REASONING instead of just believing what a book tells you is the way to go. Besides, mass religion=fails.

I'd like to point out computer simulations for evolution that use nothing but simple survival algorithims run over simulated long periods of time produce a great deal of diversity from a cingle celled organism and so called "missing links" disappear. Most creationist arguement is that there should be more evidence of missing links; this is flawed.

oh, and octopusonfire, gobblock = atheist BTW

Gobblock=Scientoligist?! D=

There are certainly those who cling to science without the ability to cite it.

Provokative...

TheHawk332: Let's be fair. What about those that have a Verizon view on everything, instead of a Cingular one? You're forgetting about the T-Mobile people in Poland!

This has got to be a joke.

Hmm... not exactly a clever retort to the original. Evolutionists don't actually use the same argument as religious folks.... evolutionists openly admit that evolution is a theory. http://circularReasoning.ytmnd.com

I will be scholarly, as I am actually a Evolution Psychologist. Each day, unmeasurable amount of scientific validity is given to specific and falsifiable evidence supporting evolution....from Mitochondrial DNA testing, to fossil records, to observation of microevolution in the Galapagos.

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This evidence, which presents no more unobstructable paths to the actual validity of evolution, has been tested more times than you could even muster...pose a hypothesis for instance...When resources are low, does a Darwin Finch beak shrink? The answer is yes, and that is only 20 years of observation...after a thousand...a million? Billion?

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The complexity of pressure, any pressure, sexual, natural, even social...produces darwinian dynamics that are measurable, but hard to explain...

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The reproductive traits of us, Homo Sapien Sapiens, is a good example...for instance, Why are human females more likely to conceive during an affair? Anyone?

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Females have evolved what is call "secret ovlulation" one of the only animals in nature to create it...woman are more likely to conceive during an affair because they generally choose "mediocre" males to reproduce with and cheat on them with alpha males...this is know as the Red Queen Theory.

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Odd, you know...there are millions of things like this in humans alone...so God created this mess? It looks like he intended us to be cheaters, killers, philanderers, manipulating little social devils... However, it also seems the emergence of memetics in our culture has created a diverse understanding or morality and pluralism... Intelligence begets morality...we can toss the bible out the window, its run its course.

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Science will never say that something is completely and utterly unfalsifiable...by definition, you are allowed to test and manipulate and study until you are blue in the face, without rhetoric, without circular reasoning...this is the scientific method. When something passes the test of time, cannot be so easily disproved, and is accepted by such a large number of intelligent people...it becomes theory and law.

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the bible spoke of a world that was the center of the universe...today most of us don't believe this...but it took nearly 400 years after Galileo was condemned before people generally accepted this as fact... Do you want to go back believing the Earth is the center of the universe? Argue the evidence that says otherwise? How about some other things? Should we stone woman, rape our vanquished foes, women reduced to property, execute stubborn children, burnt offering and sacrifice of children?

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We are smarter than this sh*t, not because we sit around and obey blindly...we learn, we explored...nature has forged us of billions of years of selection process...use your Goddamned brains.

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Here's the difference: Science says- this is the best explanation I can come up with. I tested my theory and it always gave me the same results. Please, everyone else test this as well and if you get different results, then I am wrong and need to adjust my explanation. Religion says: Here is my explanation based off of one occurrence that I didn't actually see- someone else saw it and told me about it, and I can't get it to happen again. Don't question what I'm telling you... just believe it and have faith.

Science is a great thing. Our understanding of the world shapes evolutionary theory, where the bible shapes a Christian's understanding of the world. I don't expect a reward for believing it, as with a religious doctrine. The only reason I can possibly have for believing it is that there's more evidence for it than any religious theory.

Doesn't work as well as the christianity one, and on top of that, you just copied the other one and put Evolutionary Science in the blank. And just because people don't believe in Christianity, and make fun of some of the more stereotypical followers. It doesn't automatically mean they believe in the *THEORIES* of science and in particular Evolution. But enough about that. I agree that people who blindly belive in science Theories are no better than people who blindly belive in creationism theories.

Like the top15 one, I laugh once again at athiest comments.

Nothing wrong with attempting to flip it around, but it doesn't hold up. The thing about evolutionary texts is they're based on objective evidences and facts, whereas religious texts (like the Bible) may contain truths, but they're not objective. There is no objective evidence of divine inspiration.

"feel free to tell me that this is not what evolutionists expect us to believe?" And HOW! Most evolutionary scientists would not be troubled if you did your own research, provided it's legit, and would even be thrilled if you found that there were some imperfection in their existing models of evolution, because it would bring them that much closer to the truth.

1 for strawman (logical fallacy). Evolutionists don't rely on "boox", they have a peer-reviewed and FALSIFIABLE field of science. Ass.

"My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" YES, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SCIENTIFIC! FALSIFYABILITY AND RIVISABILITY THROUGH EMPIRICAL EXAMINATION! oy all caps

WHERE IS TEH FUNNY

Way to put up an obvious straw man!

Haha, apparently, there are a lot of atheists and evolutionists on YTMND. You pissed a lot of people off. Good job. Here's a 5.

People writing essay contests over an internet quarrel = 5

Edgy.

lol I see no facts in these comments.

Let me break it down for you Creationists: Creationism is Bullsh*t. Evo-theory *might* be bullsh*t, but it's the best thing we can come up with right now. And I like the Idea of omnipotent otherdimensional superbeings as much as the next bugger, but Creationism don't hold weight. God may have caused the Big Bang, stirred the protein soup that made the first single-cell lifeform, but he didn't sit down and make everything. And Don't Brand me Evo either, I'm neither. FunkyM Has Spoken. Also No Stars.

You know why evolutionary science is right? Cause god doesn't exist.

"feel free to tell me that this is not what evolutionists expect us to believe?" Ok, it's not. Biologists (not "evolutionists" would like you to read about the evidence. Yes books are used in which to write words which describe the evidence. But asking you to read a book is not appealing to an authority. "My friend do you realize evolutionary theory has undergone some SERIOUS overhauls in the past 100 years?" Yeah: the evidence for it has gotten stronger and stronger.

oh my gosh whetstone, your frikkin hilarious!

Replace 'Evolutionary Texbooks' with 'The Bible' ¬¬ Evolution has hard facts to support it. Creationism, does not. Come debate with me! DD_8630@hotmail.com, or www.myspace.com/the_one_double_d :D

^^ its based off of this ytmnd: http://circularreasoning.ytmnd.com

Why is it so hard for hardcore Christians to believe that perhaps Creationism and Evolution can co-exist?

because they cant, accordign to volution death brought man into the world, according to the bible death brought man into the world

So basically the point the original YTMND flew completely over your head... right? What colour is the sky in your world? I'd like to know.

Please go back to the middle ages, and please stop using everything science/technology has made for your ungrateful ass. Lets start with you getting off the internet.

There's a thought indeed. Stop using the internet. Also stop eating cheeseburgers. The bible prohibits that sh*t.

Here's scholarly: let's replace biology with astronomy, an equally valid scientific field. Let's replace "Evolutionary Science is right" with "the Earth orbits the sun", then "Evolutionary Science textbook" with "astronomy textbook" and then "Evolutionary Scientist (whatever that is)" with "Astronomer". And compare. Will you now claim that you don't blindly accept what astronomers tell us about the earth and the sun? Or have you made your own measurements?

I tend to agree with neverclever

all you have to do is replace "evolutionary science" with "jesus" and you get the same reasoning that christians give for their beliefs. LMAO. you're funny because you don't see the poor foundation to your argument in the first place.

Its sad that you can make a YTMND like this... but not see that this is exactly how Christians use the bible to explain the bible. Nice going, hypocrit.

So, wait... You make a ytmnd saying the original maker is absolutely f*cking stupid for believing everything he reads in a book "just because it's in a book"... But you're a hardcore Christian who.. Reads a book (the bible) and believes everything he reads in a book, just because it's in a book. You take the cake for the 2006 Hypocrisy Award, LMFAO!!

ha, this is the reason most evolutions choose to use when telling me that my beliefs are wrong, but yet if I told them the exact same opposite (Bible is true because...) they would tell me its not enough proof. 5'd

Faith doesn't change because it can't change. It would crack the backbone of religion in half, sending your little world spinning into chaos. If your God is infallible, then what he says is the absolute truth, hands-down. It will be the same forever, or it won't be the religion anymore. Science changes because of research, new ideas, and new proof. You fail, please leave the gene pool.

One day, the Non-science of Creationism is going to be ruled out completely. The problem As I see iti s that we all believe that there has to be more to life than this, otherwise what's the f*cking point of being good at all? The point of being good is that we like people, and you don't have to be Christian or even religious to do good, you just have to want to. I like the Idea of Karma, that's a reason to do good, because it is returned to you. Also PROOF DENIES FAITH.

Hey, this is very disengenuous man, VERY. Evolution has been proven using the scientific method, and if you want evidence, ask me to send it to you, because it would take me like 20 minutes ot do it in parts. Also, this whole "lets take over ytmnd" is really annoying, and quite frankly, I wouldnt care if you would do it in an honest manner.

I suppose it's true to an extent, many people do believe in evolution without looking into it on their own. The diffrence however is that if someone wanted to, they could find hard evidence (old fish-pod for example) that supports evolution, the same cannot be said for creationism.

Microevoluton has been proven beyond a doubt and can be seen in many every day situations. I believe what you're attacking is MACROEVOLUTION. Please do your research before you pretend to be an expert.

YTMND isn't the place to make religious statements, it's a humor site.

OMG, my irony meter just exploded from whetstone comparing belief in evolution to santa...

I'd join in with the "why this sucks," but honestly, it's arguring with strangers over the internet. Nothing I say is going to change how you feel, and nothing you say is going to make me think of you as any less of an idiot.

I see you're one of those people that thinks science and religion are mutually exclusive. Excellent work -.-"

No, WRONG. Credible evidence abounds. Independent research, verifying some things for yourself is easy. I've done experiments for myself(classroom style: pitri dish+poison=immune to poison bacteria). When you can see for yourself by experimentation, there's no circular reasoning, you draw your conclusions from your own research. PM me if you would like to talk about how to run this and other experiments yourself.

Science and Religion do not mix. End of story.

Evolution is not provable yet, but it is supported by research. Religion will never be provable, so it's the same there. If you ask me, it was both. The big bang couldn't just happen, I think God sparked it and caused everything. He evolved us.

you see, science uses actual evidence, logical reasoning, and facts to prove their point. Religion is (blind) faith-based, science is fact-based

it's funny because you took someone else's site and slightly reworked it to fit your opinions. oh wait, it's not funny, it's just sad.

thank you. i see the same thing from both sides.

god you're an idiot. if any science text is right, it's not because it was written by so and so, it's because their is scientific evidence to support it. please either die or get back to work where you belong

"This has got to be a joke." You wish. Jokes are typically amusing.

No, not because it was written by an evolutionary scientist... because there are many documented research studies referenced in the book.

The effort is noble, but you would probably make a bigger difference in the world going out on missionary trips rather than running self-important crusades on the internet.

I'm starting to regret 5ing all of your sites.

You forgot 'It makes sense'.

No one has ever claimed to have witnessed macroevolution first-hand. Many people have claimed to have witnessed God first-hand. The popular response is always, it seems, to sever this hand.

Evolutionary theory has been modified, yes. That shows it is a proper scientific theory, unlike Creationism.

To everyone that says the evolution is "just a theory", keep in mind that a SCIENTIFIC theory has been proven many times by thorough experimentation by many different people. So many people in the U.S. have the wrong definition for theory, they think it is just an idea. Evolution has been proven and has yet to be disproved. If any evidence is found against the theory, it must either be changed or thrown out. Look up the real defintion.

lol, unscholarly

wow. who gives a f*ck.

"Well, how do you know God exists?" "Because I read about Him in the Bible." "Why should I trust the Bible?" "Because it was written by people inspired by God." "How do you know they were inspired by God?" "Because it's in the Bible!" "....."

why cant mods just delete all these stupid religious ytmnds.

btw most christians have excepted evolution as truth.

There is no proof for the bible. There is proof for evololution, some would say not enough, some say enough to draw definite conclusions. But anyway, yes, blind faith must be stopped, even blind faith in knowledge others give you. I'm in training to be a geneticist, and thus I know micro-evolution exists; I've seen it. Why can't full blown evolution?

FACT: The thought of evolution of our species was first coined by a Belgian priest.

Its called the "Theory of Evolution" mainly because that's what they called it back in the day. You can actually see it happening, which is pretty cool. I mean, you can chose to not care, or even believe it, but that's no different than not believing in Allah, or that weird Shinto penis shrine dealy. Soooo, yes. I liked the one you ripped off better.

To be blind is never right, but people put research into that textbook, where was the research for the bible? Just things that god told them? Can you prove god told them such? Proof of the bible has yet to be found. Proof of evolution is significant, with only petty things that can be disproven getting in it's way. Remember the 'intricacy of the eye cannot evolve naturally'? They proved light sensitive cells could theorhetically become an eye... So the fight goes on...

Personally, in the fight between religion and science, that has existed since the dawn of human intelligence, I'll put my bet on the one that likes to back up it's evidence and hasn't sparked bloody wars over it's text.

Look at humans for example... Every generation is typically taller than the last one, not only that but our pinkies are slowly shrinking, if you look at a really old skeleton you'll notice that their pinkies are much longer than ours today, so how can't you see this?

lol

Microevolution has been proven. But some don't accept that as evolution, meaning they don't accept that 1 species can evolve into another. The very way our reproduction works is evolution in progress... But thats what they've dubbed micro evolution.

Oh Jesus Christ, STOP SPONSORING THESE YTMND'S. JESUS CHRIST.

you're a f*cking idiot. Believe it because scientists use empirical observations and natural laws to infer evolution, and THEN wrote a book about it. Not because they wrote a book, you *ssh*l*e. Evolution undergoes revisions in light of new evidence. That is what science is. If the facts of reality don't conform to the theory, you change it. Unlike creationism where you try to change the facts of reality to conform to your theory.

Strawman

There is this little thing called research. It's this bizzare tradition of this cult called "Science" where they test a concept to see if it is true. A totally alien practice in our world